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Post by snoggle on Jul 25, 2015 9:53:41 GMT
Struggling to think of what AGA could actually stop at Clapton, even if it was willing. The handful of Hertford East / Broxbourne starters that don't run via Seven Sisters in the peaks would be about it. Can't see them being prepared to stop Cambridge / Stansted trains there. Well precisely. AGA will be reluctant to stop because their trains will be very heavily loaded from T Hale as hundreds of people will presumably remain on the train into Liverpool St. The Clapton issue is that NO trains in EITHER direction stop before 0930. It's not even limited to peak direction trains - nothing stops based on what TfL have written. What is the point of that? Boardings towards Chingford are never very high so why stop people travelling? Also why just the AM peak? It feels all very amateurish to me and badly thought through. There will be a reaction to this and there'll be some sort of last minute panic change. You can't just cut people off for no good reason. Yes the trains may well be ridiculously busy but that's true anyway across London. We don't just shut stations randomly because services are busy.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Jul 25, 2015 11:32:20 GMT
Looks like TfL are now tweaking the arrangements and / or leaving the really bad news to the last minute. Checking the travel advice page again last night the following has emerged. These changes apply 10-28 August. I assume the first two points below apply M-F but the advice doesn't say so!!! - St James St Station is exit only until 0930 - Chingford Line trains will not stop at Clapton before 0930. No word about any replacement services. I can't see this being acceptable unless AGA trains stop instead. - AGA trains will not stop at Edmonton Green during AM peak hours. - Trains are retimed 2 mins earlier in the AM Peak at Chingford, Highams Park and Wood Street. Presumably to give a longer dwell time at Walthamstow Central. - Enfield Town/Bush Hill Park departures are earlier in the AM peak. Presumably to give an increased dwell time at Edmonton Green. Apparently more detailed advice will be added. TfL are leaving this rather late for people to understand what's going on and making alternative arrangements. It seems the Rail Replacement Buses will be leaving from the Station Car Park at Walthamstow Central. Route A will also stop at Hoe St (by the new shops / cinema). The Edmonton green changes makes no sense to me as this part wouldn't be affected by the Victoria line closure, so a bit strange
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Post by thesquirrels on Jul 25, 2015 11:55:08 GMT
Looks like TfL are now tweaking the arrangements and / or leaving the really bad news to the last minute. Checking the travel advice page again last night the following has emerged. These changes apply 10-28 August. I assume the first two points below apply M-F but the advice doesn't say so!!! - St James St Station is exit only until 0930 - Chingford Line trains will not stop at Clapton before 0930. No word about any replacement services. I can't see this being acceptable unless AGA trains stop instead. - AGA trains will not stop at Edmonton Green during AM peak hours. - Trains are retimed 2 mins earlier in the AM Peak at Chingford, Highams Park and Wood Street. Presumably to give a longer dwell time at Walthamstow Central. - Enfield Town/Bush Hill Park departures are earlier in the AM peak. Presumably to give an increased dwell time at Edmonton Green. Apparently more detailed advice will be added. TfL are leaving this rather late for people to understand what's going on and making alternative arrangements. It seems the Rail Replacement Buses will be leaving from the Station Car Park at Walthamstow Central. Route A will also stop at Hoe St (by the new shops / cinema). The Edmonton green changes makes no sense to me as this part wouldn't be affected by the Victoria line closure, so a bit strange All I can think is it having something to do with the retimings of down trains from Enfield? Pathings between fasts and slows are tight enough on that line at peak, retiming a train means retiming of points settings at Bury Street Junction, instant impact on both lines in both directions. If it is being done because of capacity concerns then some chance of GA being willing to stop anything at Clapton!
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Post by snoggle on Jul 25, 2015 12:08:34 GMT
The Edmonton green changes makes no sense to me as this part wouldn't be affected by the Victoria line closure, so a bit strange I think it is because they are expecting dwell times at Seven Sisters to be longer than usual - both alighting and boarding. Remember fewer Vic Line trains will be operating between SS and Brixton and there will be queuing in the station. I suspect, therefore, there's an assumption that some people will divert to AGA's fast trains at Seven Sisters. Ditto for the Enfield trains. I fear it's going to be a horrible mess - there's no info yet on AGA's website for example.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 29, 2015 19:28:36 GMT
Yet another update to the TfL web information for the blockade. There are now station specific leaflets giving more information. It now seems there are going to be extra peak time buses on the 97 and 158 during the blockade. If you live on Billet Road you're going to have a bus every 2-3 minutes between the 158 and 558. Of course the one route that gets no enhancement is the 123 even though I expect it will get completely clobbered. I also note that RRS A will seemingly run via the Bell Corner in each direction but no stop at the Bell even though that would be advantageous to a lot of people who could avoid going via the Central and then travelling back the way they came!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2015 19:44:44 GMT
Yet another update to the TfL web information for the blockade. There are now station specific leaflets giving more information. It now seems there are going to be extra peak time buses on the 97 and 158 during the blockade. If you live on Billet Road you're going to have a bus every 2-3 minutes between the 158 and 558. Of course the one route that gets no enhancement is the 123 even though I expect it will get completely clobbered. I also note that RRS A will seemingly run via the Bell Corner in each direction but no stop at the Bell even though that would be advantageous to a lot of people who could avoid going via the Central and then travelling back the way they came! Thanks for the update, I wonder if Stagecoach have enough spare buses for the 97 and 158 extras or will they have to hire some in
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Post by routew15 on Jul 30, 2015 11:18:24 GMT
Yet another update to the TfL web information for the blockade. There are now station specific leaflets giving more information. It now seems there are going to be extra peak time buses on the 97 and 158 during the blockade. If you live on Billet Road you're going to have a bus every 2-3 minutes between the 158 and 558. Of course the one route that gets no enhancement is the 123 even though I expect it will get completely clobbered. I also note that RRS A will seemingly run via the Bell Corner in each direction but no stop at the Bell even though that would be advantageous to a lot of people who could avoid going via the Central and then travelling back the way they came! I totally agree. I don't understand why Replacement Bus Service A needs to stop twice in Walthamstow Central, one of the those could be removed to allow the bus to stop at Bell Corner. This would seriously help out the 123 which doesnt always stop at Bromley Road bus stop because it is so overcrowded. From the information available It's not clear whether or not the 123 & 230 Are serving Tottenham Hale Bus Station. Saturdays should be interesting because two of the helpful Replacement Buses are not running. I hope the 97 and 158 will still have extra buses running on weekends.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 30, 2015 15:18:23 GMT
Yet another update to the TfL web information for the blockade. There are now station specific leaflets giving more information. It now seems there are going to be extra peak time buses on the 97 and 158 during the blockade. If you live on Billet Road you're going to have a bus every 2-3 minutes between the 158 and 558. Of course the one route that gets no enhancement is the 123 even though I expect it will get completely clobbered. I also note that RRS A will seemingly run via the Bell Corner in each direction but no stop at the Bell even though that would be advantageous to a lot of people who could avoid going via the Central and then travelling back the way they came! I totally agree. I don't understand why Replacement Bus Service A needs to stop twice in Walthamstow Central, one of the those could be removed to allow the bus to stop at Bell Corner. This would seriously help out the 123 which doesnt always stop at Bromley Road bus stop because it is so overcrowded. From the information available It's not clear whether or not the 123 & 230 Are serving Tottenham Hale Bus Station. Saturdays should be interesting because two of the helpful Replacement Buses are not running. I hope the 97 and 158 will still have extra buses running on weekends. I have sent a couple of tweets to @victorialine suggesting an extra stop is added in to RRS A. It'll probably come to nothing but nothing ventured, nothing gained. I am very doubtful that many people are going to schlep to the station car park to catch a bus. I can understand why the buses are turning there - there's no space anywhere else!! I note that half of Blackhorse Road car park is also going to be taken over for rail replacement buses - presumably by Metroline for the 558s. I think the 123 and 230 will keep running via the bus station at T Hale but given they don't reach Seven Sisters (boo hiss - another daft TfL decision) there's little point in mentioning them. My reading of the leaflets is that the extra 97s and 158s are M-F peaks only but I suspect just relying on RRS A at weekends is going to prove a mistake. While not as peaked as a weekday those days are still extremely busy and I've seen RRS vehicles at weekends full to bursting point at weekends. The lack of quick access to Stratford may prove to be a serious error on Saturdays.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Jul 30, 2015 17:19:04 GMT
I totally agree. I don't understand why Replacement Bus Service A needs to stop twice in Walthamstow Central, one of the those could be removed to allow the bus to stop at Bell Corner. This would seriously help out the 123 which doesnt always stop at Bromley Road bus stop because it is so overcrowded. From the information available It's not clear whether or not the 123 & 230 Are serving Tottenham Hale Bus Station. Saturdays should be interesting because two of the helpful Replacement Buses are not running. I hope the 97 and 158 will still have extra buses running on weekends. I have sent a couple of tweets to @victorialine suggesting an extra stop is added in to RRS A. It'll probably come to nothing but nothing ventured, nothing gained. I am very doubtful that many people are going to schlep to the station car park to catch a bus. I can understand why the buses are turning there - there's no space anywhere else!! I note that half of Blackhorse Road car park is also going to be taken over for rail replacement buses - presumably by Metroline for the 558s. I think the 123 and 230 will keep running via the bus station at T Hale but given they don't reach Seven Sisters (boo hiss - another daft TfL decision) there's little point in mentioning them. My reading of the leaflets is that the extra 97s and 158s are M-F peaks only but I suspect just relying on RRS A at weekends is going to prove a mistake. While not as peaked as a weekday those days are still extremely busy and I've seen RRS vehicles at weekends full to bursting point at weekends. The lack of quick access to Stratford may prove to be a serious error on Saturdays. AGA also have engineering work between Tottenham Hale and Stratford for most of the weekend the Victoria Line is closed #excellentplanning
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Post by snoggle on Aug 7, 2015 13:07:45 GMT
I see I-Bus has been tweaked to advise people arriving at Walthamstow Market from the North to get off and catch the Vic Line RRS service during the blockade. The message is also repeated on arrival at Walthamstow Central. Heard on Stge Ldn 15074. Oh and the subway link at Walthamstow Central will be shut so you need to walk round via Hoe St to reach the Liv St bound platforms for the Overground. That'll go down like a lead balloon with people.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2015 0:02:56 GMT
Just looking at the Bus Service Change document which has been updated. Seems we will be drowning in buses in Walthamstow next week. 58 gets a peak supplementary service between Walthamstow Central and Leyton. 97 gets a peak supplementary service between Walthamstow Central and Stratford City 158 gets a peak supplementary service between St James St Stn and Stratford. This in addition to Rail Replacement Service A - Walthamstow Central to Seven Sisters, RRS B from Walthamstow Central to Stratford City and 558 from Chingford Mount to Seven Sisters. No quite sure we need this level of service but we will see. Makes me wonder where all the buses are coming from!!
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 8, 2015 20:43:14 GMT
Couple of observations. The 'assistants' could do with a bit more training. Struggled to answer my complicated questions, like 'where do I catch the bus to...' Rail Replacement B, will be routed via Argall Avenue on Monday. Alert for Double deck on single deck roads? Early test for an route to Lea Bridge station.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2015 21:13:15 GMT
Couple of observations. The 'assistants' could do with a bit more training. Struggled to answer my complicated questions, like 'where do I catch the bus to...' Rail Replacement B, will be routed via Argall Avenue on Monday. Alert for Double deck on single deck roads? Early test for an route to Lea Bridge station. The residents in Markhouse Av / Sth Access Road are going to love double decks going back and forth every 5 mins. I can't see that working at all given it's hard enough for single deckers to get down there and pass each other. I can understand wanting to avoid Markhouse Corner and the rush hour jams but even so.
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Post by mondraker275 on Aug 10, 2015 13:45:19 GMT
Couple of observations. The 'assistants' could do with a bit more training. Struggled to answer my complicated questions, like 'where do I catch the bus to...' Rail Replacement B, will be routed via Argall Avenue on Monday. Alert for Double deck on single deck roads? Early test for an route to Lea Bridge station. The residents in Markhouse Av / Sth Access Road are going to love double decks going back and forth every 5 mins. I can't see that working at all given it's hard enough for single deckers to get down there and pass each other. I can understand wanting to avoid Markhouse Corner and the rush hour jams but even so. Well that did not last long if at all. The Stratford bound buses were routed via Argall Avenue, but that was scrapped. Journey Time to Stratford is less than 15 minutes so thats good. But RRSB wont last long or will get a frequency decrease because its carrying nobody at times. Surely, this service would serve better running on weekends?? Its also confusing having the buses as 'Rail Replacement - Victoria Line'.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 10, 2015 14:04:56 GMT
The residents in Markhouse Av / Sth Access Road are going to love double decks going back and forth every 5 mins. I can't see that working at all given it's hard enough for single deckers to get down there and pass each other. I can understand wanting to avoid Markhouse Corner and the rush hour jams but even so. Well that did not last long if at all. The Stratford bound buses were routed via Argall Avenue, but that was scrapped. Journey Time to Stratford is less than 15 minutes so thats good. But RRSB wont last long or will get a frequency decrease because its carrying nobody at times. Surely, this service would serve better running on weekends?? Its also confusing having the buses as 'Rail Replacement - Victoria Line'. Can't say I'm surprised. People don't like being shifted off their normal routes. Most will want to get to the Vic Line as quickly as possible. One daft woman, interviewed for the BBC London news, said "oh it's going to take me to lunchtime to get to work". Stupid woman - the bus takes a bit longer and there might be a wait at SS but so what? It's never to going to take hours of extra time.
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