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Post by cc2005 on Apr 10, 2015 14:27:35 GMT
"Following a successful trial of TfL's upper deck seat indicator technology, this week the trial will be expanded to a whole route, route 59, which runs between Kings Cross St Pancras and Streatham Hill (Telford Avenue) via Euston, Russell Square, Holborn, Waterloo, Oval and Brixton. This is an ideal test route for this trial, as it has been identified as a busy route where crowding can be an issue. The new technology analyses information from the on board CCTV system and displays seat availability on the upper deck, on a screen at the base of the stairs. This allows passengers to make an informed choice on whether to use the upper deck, before actually going upstairs. The technology was trialled last year on route 141, during Year of the Bus, to see if the technology could help relieve overcrowding on the lower deck." From the TfL Press Office www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/april/upper-deck-seat-indicator-trial-extended-to-route-59Which buses will have the screens installed? I'm guessing that those buses will be route bound to route 59 for the duration of the trial?
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Post by marlon101 on Apr 10, 2015 14:59:40 GMT
"Following a successful trial of TfL's upper deck seat indicator technology, this week the trial will be expanded to a whole route, route 59, which runs between Kings Cross St Pancras and Streatham Hill (Telford Avenue) via Euston, Russell Square, Holborn, Waterloo, Oval and Brixton. This is an ideal test route for this trial, as it has been identified as a busy route where crowding can be an issue. The new technology analyses information from the on board CCTV system and displays seat availability on the upper deck, on a screen at the base of the stairs. This allows passengers to make an informed choice on whether to use the upper deck, before actually going upstairs. The technology was trialled last year on route 141, during Year of the Bus, to see if the technology could help relieve overcrowding on the lower deck." From the TfL Press Office www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/april/upper-deck-seat-indicator-trial-extended-to-route-59Which buses will have the screens installed? I'm guessing that those buses will be route bound to route 59 for the duration of the trial? Thank heavens for this technology!!! When unable to sit downstairs I have never before thought of looking upstairs or listening to driver/ibus announcements that seating was available on the upper deck. If TfL are going to throw money at it, I might have to rethink my seating strategy.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2015 15:20:32 GMT
"Following a successful trial of TfL's upper deck seat indicator technology, this week the trial will be expanded to a whole route, route 59, which runs between Kings Cross St Pancras and Streatham Hill (Telford Avenue) via Euston, Russell Square, Holborn, Waterloo, Oval and Brixton. This is an ideal test route for this trial, as it has been identified as a busy route where crowding can be an issue. The new technology analyses information from the on board CCTV system and displays seat availability on the upper deck, on a screen at the base of the stairs. This allows passengers to make an informed choice on whether to use the upper deck, before actually going upstairs. The technology was trialled last year on route 141, during Year of the Bus, to see if the technology could help relieve overcrowding on the lower deck." From the TfL Press Office www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/april/upper-deck-seat-indicator-trial-extended-to-route-59Which buses will have the screens installed? I'm guessing that those buses will be route bound to route 59 for the duration of the trial? 'snoggle' posted this up the other day but never mind. I suspect the HV's and a few DW's will be fitted as that's the 59's official allocation.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 10, 2015 15:22:41 GMT
"Following a successful trial of TfL's upper deck seat indicator technology, this week the trial will be expanded to a whole route, route 59, which runs between Kings Cross St Pancras and Streatham Hill (Telford Avenue) via Euston, Russell Square, Holborn, Waterloo, Oval and Brixton. This is an ideal test route for this trial, as it has been identified as a busy route where crowding can be an issue. The new technology analyses information from the on board CCTV system and displays seat availability on the upper deck, on a screen at the base of the stairs. This allows passengers to make an informed choice on whether to use the upper deck, before actually going upstairs. The technology was trialled last year on route 141, during Year of the Bus, to see if the technology could help relieve overcrowding on the lower deck." From the TfL Press Office www.tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2015/april/upper-deck-seat-indicator-trial-extended-to-route-59Which buses will have the screens installed? I'm guessing that those buses will be route bound to route 59 for the duration of the trial? 'snoggle' posted this up the other day but never mind. I suspect the HV's and a few DW's will be fitted as that's the 59's official allocation. The HVs are shared with the 319, and the 59s buses are regularly on the route so I guess route 319 shall subliminally recieve the technology as well.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 10, 2015 15:33:25 GMT
Thank heavens for this technology!!! When unable to sit downstairs I have never before thought of looking upstairs or listening to driver/ibus announcements that seating was available on the upper deck. If TfL are going to throw money at it, I might have to rethink my seating strategy. Miaow hiss scratch hiss miaow Where's a gif of an angry kitten when I need one? Oh look The problem is that some people simply don't want to go upstairs if when reaching there, there are no seats. Having the display at least means people can see before they ascend that there are seats available and possibly in the part of the upper deck they prefer to sit in. Even if only a proportion of standees go upstairs as a result of the display then it will at least make things better for the extra people who'll be able to squeeze on to the bus at busy times. There's nothing I hate more than being refused entry to a bus when it's obvious there are spare seats upstairs. It's nearly always kids that jam the bus up and almost all of them will be perfectly able to go upstairs. Different situation if the lower deck was full of arthritic grannies but how often does that happen? If I decide to stand downstairs on a busy bus I will try to move down the bus or make as much room as I can so people will get on. I'm not exactly svelte but I do make an effort - if only everyone did the same.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Apr 10, 2015 15:42:13 GMT
Thank heavens for this technology!!! When unable to sit downstairs I have never before thought of looking upstairs or listening to driver/ibus announcements that seating was available on the upper deck. If TfL are going to throw money at it, I might have to rethink my seating strategy. Miaow hiss scratch hiss miaow Where's a gif of an angry kitten when I need one? Oh look The problem is that some people simply don't want to go upstairs if when reaching there, there are no seats. Having the display at least means people can see before they ascend that there are seats available and possibly in the part of the upper deck they prefer to sit in. Even if only a proportion of standees go upstairs as a result of the display then it will at least make things better for the extra people who'll be able to squeeze on to the bus at busy times. There's nothing I hate more than being refused entry to a bus when it's obvious there are spare seats upstairs. It's nearly always kids that jam the bus up and almost all of them will be perfectly able to go upstairs. Different situation if the lower deck was full of arthritic grannies but how often does that happen? If I decide to stand downstairs on a busy bus I will try to move down the bus or make as much room as I can so people will get on. I'm not exactly svelte but I do make an effort - if only everyone did the same. This is why I like the idea of open boarding, as people will be able to easy squeeze on and get upstairs. However fare evasion is the big issue
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Post by marlon101 on Apr 10, 2015 15:51:21 GMT
Thank heavens for this technology!!! When unable to sit downstairs I have never before thought of looking upstairs or listening to driver/ibus announcements that seating was available on the upper deck. If TfL are going to throw money at it, I might have to rethink my seating strategy. Miaow hiss scratch hiss miaow Where's a gif of an angry kitten when I need one? Oh look The problem is that some people simply don't want to go upstairs if when reaching there, there are no seats. Having the display at least means people can see before they ascend that there are seats available and possibly in the part of the upper deck they prefer to sit in. Even if only a proportion of standees go upstairs as a result of the display then it will at least make things better for the extra people who'll be able to squeeze on to the bus at busy times. There's nothing I hate more than being refused entry to a bus when it's obvious there are spare seats upstairs. It's nearly always kids that jam the bus up and almost all of them will be perfectly able to go upstairs. Different situation if the lower deck was full of arthritic grannies but how often does that happen? If I decide to stand downstairs on a busy bus I will try to move down the bus or make as much room as I can so people will get on. I'm not exactly svelte but I do make an effort - if only everyone did the same. Point taken, however one might still maintain more frequent driver use of the "seating is available on the upper deck" might be a far more sensible and cost-effective solution!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2015 16:22:11 GMT
Miaow hiss scratch hiss miaow Where's a gif of an angry kitten when I need one? Oh look The problem is that some people simply don't want to go upstairs if when reaching there, there are no seats. Having the display at least means people can see before they ascend that there are seats available and possibly in the part of the upper deck they prefer to sit in. Even if only a proportion of standees go upstairs as a result of the display then it will at least make things better for the extra people who'll be able to squeeze on to the bus at busy times. There's nothing I hate more than being refused entry to a bus when it's obvious there are spare seats upstairs. It's nearly always kids that jam the bus up and almost all of them will be perfectly able to go upstairs. Different situation if the lower deck was full of arthritic grannies but how often does that happen? If I decide to stand downstairs on a busy bus I will try to move down the bus or make as much room as I can so people will get on. I'm not exactly svelte but I do make an effort - if only everyone did the same. Point taken, however one might still maintain more frequent driver use of the "seating is available on the upper deck" might be a far more sensible and cost-effective solution! The public tend to either temporarily shut themselves out from their surroundings when travelling on the bus or just completely ignore everyone including drivers.
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Post by marlon101 on Apr 10, 2015 16:45:03 GMT
Point taken, however one might still maintain more frequent driver use of the "seating is available on the upper deck" might be a far more sensible and cost-effective solution! The public tend to either temporarily shut themselves out from their surroundings when travelling on the bus or just completely ignore everyone including drivers.... ...and expensive gizmos?
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Post by Connor on Apr 10, 2015 16:59:24 GMT
Point taken, however one might still maintain more frequent driver use of the "seating is available on the upper deck" might be a far more sensible and cost-effective solution! The public tend to either temporarily shut themselves out from their surroundings when travelling on the bus or just completely ignore everyone including drivers. No, not really. I don't trust in the driver's use of the announcement. I've heard the announcement played when there are actually no seats on the upper deck, several times... I don't trust this CCTV 'seat indicator' either...
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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2015 17:05:25 GMT
The public tend to either temporarily shut themselves out from their surroundings when travelling on the bus or just completely ignore everyone including drivers. No, not really. I don't trust in the driver's use of the announcement. I've heard the announcement played when there are actually no seats on the upper deck, several times... I don't trust this CCTV 'seat indicator' either... It's been shown to work on whatever bus had it on the 141. I thought the system wasn't operated by drivers unlike I-Bus announcements anyway?
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Post by Connor on Apr 10, 2015 18:11:05 GMT
No, not really. I don't trust in the driver's use of the announcement. I've heard the announcement played when there are actually no seats on the upper deck, several times... I don't trust this CCTV 'seat indicator' either... It's been shown to work on whatever bus had it on the 141. I thought the system wasn't operated by drivers unlike I-Bus announcements anyway? What I was saying was that I think the CCTV based seat indicator system probably not be very accurate/foolproof. I mean the cameras may not work or they may feed back false/incorrect info....it sounds like a gimmicky 'face-recognition' type thing to me at the moment. Of course, my preconceptions may change once I actually see the system in action. I didn't say anything it being controlled by the driver, if you read my post correctly.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 10, 2015 19:25:20 GMT
It's been shown to work on whatever bus had it on the 141. I thought the system wasn't operated by drivers unlike I-Bus announcements anyway? What I was saying was that I think the CCTV based seat indicator system probably not be very accurate/foolproof. I mean the cameras may not work or they may feed back false/incorrect info....it sounds like a gimmicky 'face-recognition' type thing to me at the moment. Of course, my preconceptions may change once I actually see the system in action. I didn't say anything it being controlled by the driver, if you read my post correctly. I did read your post correctly hence why I asked a question at the end of my post instead of assuming you was on about one particular aspect. I did not say that you said it was controlled by the driver either. All computer controlled systems have the ability to fail so nothing is ever 100% accurate but from what I've seen of it through videos and pics of people using it, it works.
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Post by rambo on Apr 10, 2015 19:32:35 GMT
Pointless idea, even when I told people there were seats upstairs, no one took any notice. A complete waste of money..........................
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Post by Connor on Apr 10, 2015 19:38:12 GMT
What I was saying was that I think the CCTV based seat indicator system probably not be very accurate/foolproof. I mean the cameras may not work or they may feed back false/incorrect info....it sounds like a gimmicky 'face-recognition' type thing to me at the moment. Of course, my preconceptions may change once I actually see the system in action. I didn't say anything it being controlled by the driver, if you read my post correctly. All computer controlled systems have the ability to fail so nothing is ever 100% accurate but from what I've seen of it through videos and pics of people using it, it works. Don't take what I've said out of perspective. I'm simply sceptical of the reliability of the cameras to power this feature. I've just seen a video of it in action, and it recognised a bag as a person so...
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