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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 21:22:39 GMT
Of course, you don’t need to read them do you, you boring idiot. I take it you worked out what I was talking about then, not quite sure why I'm a boring idiot for pointing out how there's pretty much no link between the two suggestions. I have made no more suggestions than that of shareholders speculating. If you are talking about garages closing, then you can direct your comments to the person that made those comments, not me.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 28, 2021 21:27:37 GMT
You clearly have not read a single word I said - I said I understand about speculation surrounding Southeastern and even the railway replacement side which are the things you mentioned so why your getting so wound up about is beyond me. All I said is it makes no sense at this point to start talking about Go-Ahead losing garages or routes or anything else along that line and that if more information comes about, then that's the time to talk about. I mean, what I originally posted was my thoughts yet your telling me to stop - it works both ways surely not? So make that clear in future and don’t quote what I’ve written and include it in one of your posts. But I did make it clear in my original post - it clearly states what I was referring to.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2021 21:32:24 GMT
So make that clear in future and don’t quote what I’ve written and include it in one of your posts. But I did make it clear in my original post - it clearly states what I was referring to. No, it isn’t clear. You said “people” are going overboard and have quoted me. People is plural. So I have taken it that you included my post in your overboard comment. So in future, only quote the persons comments you are referring to, thanks.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 28, 2021 22:25:57 GMT
But I did make it clear in my original post - it clearly states what I was referring to. No, it isn’t clear. You said “people” are going overboard and have quoted me. People is plural. So I have taken it that you included my post in your overboard comment. So in future, only quote the persons comments you are referring to, thanks. I didn't quote you - I quoted BE37054 (quoll662) post because that's who I was referring to. Seriously, please read it properly. Like I said, if you wish to discuss this, drop me a message because all we're doing (that's both of us I'm referring to) is clogging up this thread.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 29, 2021 1:09:55 GMT
Well there's a difference between common sense and random links, anyone could come and talk about random links but when you are linking chalk and cheese you are just wasting everyone's time. Of course, you don’t need to read them do you, you boring idiot. oh no you did not, lol. I'm telling of you now
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 29, 2021 1:12:29 GMT
Unlikely in the short term as share prices won’t really affect day to day running. Long term it could mean less investment, slower expansion as lenders may be unwilling to fund growth if the share price doesn’t recover and it makes Go Ahead a target for takeover whilst the shares are at their lowest. In terms of lenders as mentioned it could prove difficult for Go Ahead to raise capital for new vehicles. It’s realistic that any takeover would either be hostile or at a price the shareholders couldn’t refuse just to recover some of their capital. But I wouldn’t expect any short term changes, just major long term changes. I would also expect Govia to be barred from bidding for new DfT rail contracts so it could be goodbye to Thameslink. I do find it interesting though that Go Ahead seems to be taking a lot of blame today with Keolis barely mentioned as a joint venture partner in Govia. I just hope the service remains the same (but better would be nice!) Will Go Ahead London still run the rail replacements? I presume that provision will now have to be contracted out rather than kept in house as it is currently. I don't know about Keolis, but the finance manager resigning is a clear indication of where the fault is. Rail replacements should not be affected. They are usually tendered out and 90% of the time it remains inhouse. Although at times, depending on workload and staff, it can make sense for them to subcontract or give the tender to another operator. Believe it or not Arriva have done that in the past with Arriva Rail
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 29, 2021 1:13:45 GMT
Everything was such simpler when we had Network Southeast 😁 At least some of their 321's and 315's are still ploughing ground.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 29, 2021 1:14:57 GMT
Southeastern stripped of franchise over undeclared funding Rail operator Southeastern has been stripped of its franchise after failing to declare more than £25m of taxpayer funding.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-58716625
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Post by Dillon95 on Sept 29, 2021 8:27:36 GMT
So what’s happening with the ‘Great British Railways’ thing then? It was in the news for 1 day earlier in the year, and I haven’t heard another word about it since. Couldn’t Southeastern be the first phase of this takeover?
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 29, 2021 10:49:31 GMT
So what’s happening with the ‘Great British Railways’ thing then? It was in the news for 1 day earlier in the year, and I haven’t heard another word about it since. Couldn’t Southeastern be the first phase of this takeover? Last I heard it was still two years away at least, with implementation starting around 2023. But perhaps they could use Southeastern as a guinea pig for Great British Railways to see how it'll work.
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 29, 2021 10:58:44 GMT
Funny how this has come up literally a day after the 707 introduction. In the press release, the DfT mentions investing in passenger improvements on the existing fleet as well as improved security, hopefully this should mean a full refurbishment programme for the neglected Networkers and 376s and better staffing at SE stations. Southeastern under the current owners doesn't seem to have their priorities straight - not spending money where it is needed the most, so I think this is the right way forward. Part of that was down to uncertainty of the future of the franchise, as it has been constantly extended on direct awards, but at the same time it's beyond me as to why Southeastern have still not refurbished their Class 376's at all. The Networkers on the other hand have been refurbished twice over the last 10 years so they haven't been neglected as such, but they have been suffering from the expected wear and tear due to the routes they serve.
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Post by Dillon95 on Sept 29, 2021 11:43:22 GMT
So what’s happening with the ‘Great British Railways’ thing then? It was in the news for 1 day earlier in the year, and I haven’t heard another word about it since. Couldn’t Southeastern be the first phase of this takeover? Last I heard it was still two years away at least, with implementation starting around 2023. But perhaps they could use Southeastern as a guinea pig for Great British Railways to see how it'll work. Yeah that’s what I was thinking, it the government are taking control of the Southeastern franchise anyway.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 29, 2021 13:29:03 GMT
Slightly related but there was a fake account going around online yesterday suggesting that the license for Southeastern given for the use in the Train Sim World 2 game was potentially going to be withdrawn as a result of the news but according to DTG who make the games, this isn't the case and thus far nothing will be changing on that front. DTG also have the license for Southern given East Coastway is in the game with Brighton Mainline releasing soon but apparently getting the Thameslink license is extremely unlikely for some reason but neither are affected by Southeastern's plight anyway.
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 29, 2021 14:14:08 GMT
Slightly related but there was a fake account going around online yesterday suggesting that the license for Southeastern given for the use in the Train Sim World 2 game was potentially going to be withdrawn as a result of the news but according to DTG who make the games, this isn't the case and thus far nothing will be changing on that front. DTG also have the license for Southern given East Coastway is in the game with Brighton Mainline releasing soon but apparently getting the Thameslink license is extremely unlikely for some reason but neither are affected by Southeastern's plight anyway. Not sure why it's more unlikely getting the Thameslink licence if they already have Southern and Gatwick Express, given that they are the same company after all!
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Post by southlondon413 on Sept 29, 2021 14:33:35 GMT
Slightly related but there was a fake account going around online yesterday suggesting that the license for Southeastern given for the use in the Train Sim World 2 game was potentially going to be withdrawn as a result of the news but according to DTG who make the games, this isn't the case and thus far nothing will be changing on that front. DTG also have the license for Southern given East Coastway is in the game with Brighton Mainline releasing soon but apparently getting the Thameslink license is extremely unlikely for some reason but neither are affected by Southeastern's plight anyway. Not sure why it's more unlikely getting the Thameslink licence if they already have Southern and Gatwick Express, given that they are the same company after all! Could it be down to the Thameslink brand rather than the operation itself? If I remember the Thameslink contract was a management one with GTR collecting an agreed fee with bonuses rather than a traditional franchise model used on other rail networks. It could then mean that the branding isn’t owned by GTR but rather like the Overground, just used as a brand name which can be used regardless of operator?
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