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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 30, 2021 18:42:13 GMT
From reading a post elsewhere, apparently only roughly 4 will be in service for now as the rest are still with SWR covering defect trains so well done if you do get one I will let you know! Tomorrow I’m on the New Guildford line so even if I succeed in finding a 707 on SE, the SW journey will almost certainly be a 455... Homeward journey on SE today was/is a 707 ✅ ....but the SW journey was a 450. Doh! 😂
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Post by 700101 on Sept 30, 2021 22:04:29 GMT
Southeastern stripped of franchise over undeclared funding Rail operator Southeastern has been stripped of its franchise after failing to declare more than £25m of taxpayer funding.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-58716625 Was really shocked with this announcement which has had me thinking that next year GTR could be stripped from Govia If the Government have lost total faith in them now. A lot of SE passengers are delighted with the news thinking changes will happen straight away which they will be in for a big shock that it doesn’t work like that but time will tell.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Oct 2, 2021 11:16:45 GMT
Could we see a shrinking of the London operations such as closing garages such as PM with the 63 loss, SI with routes moving to DS and A if the Sutton tranche routes are lost/transferred? It would be great if people could stop going overboard the minute something is announced - all we know is that Southeastern franchise is now being run under the government. Speculation on the actual franchise and even the railway replacement side I can fully understand but talking about Go-Ahead London at this time makes no sense until further information is known. GoVia has had a poor reputation for years so I really don’t see this leaving the Go-Ahead group’s reputation in tatters. Certainly, the bus side should be immune due to it’s good standing and practices within the industry Exactly. Just because Arriva were stripped of their Northern franchise, this has not disqualified them from subsequent bus contracts or led to a mass divestment of other UK operations.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Oct 2, 2021 12:01:31 GMT
It would be great if people could stop going overboard the minute something is announced - all we know is that Southeastern franchise is now being run under the government. Speculation on the actual franchise and even the railway replacement side I can fully understand but talking about Go-Ahead London at this time makes no sense until further information is known. GoVia has had a poor reputation for years so I really don’t see this leaving the Go-Ahead group’s reputation in tatters. Certainly, the bus side should be immune due to it’s good standing and practices within the industry Exactly. Just because Arriva were stripped of their Northern franchise, this has not disqualified them from subsequent bus contracts or led to a mass divestment of other UK operations. Ditto with Stagecoach and VTEC
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Post by bus12451 on Oct 4, 2021 23:07:12 GMT
So it seems that the Class 707 City Beam trains are working services beyond Dartford, contrary to what Southeastern has said as I was pleasantly surprised to see some Charing Cross - Gravesend via Sidcup services being formed of 707s today (my train was 707011 and 012, not sure if others were out on the same line).
Only 009 and 010 have the Thameslink seat moquette, all the rest have/will have the SE moquette. Its also been mentioned elsewhere that 025 and 026 entered service today.
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Post by buspete on Oct 7, 2021 23:48:46 GMT
So how many Beam trains do Southeastern have now?
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Post by bus12451 on Oct 8, 2021 9:28:10 GMT
So how many Beam trains do Southeastern have now? They have 707003-012, 025-028. 009-012 and 025-026 are the units that have been refurbished and are in service.
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Post by buspete on Oct 8, 2021 18:03:47 GMT
Thanks
So they have 14 and 6 in service.
I haven't been on one yet, nor seen one in Charing Cross/London Bridge, have seen the Southeastern lively in service and I have also seen the Southwestern lively, I assume these are for driver training, while waiting for refurbishment.
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Post by 700101 on Oct 8, 2021 19:59:28 GMT
Thanks So they have 14 and 6 in service. I haven't been on one yet, nor seen one in Charing Cross/London Bridge, have seen the Southeastern lively in service and I have also seen the Southwestern lively, I assume these are for driver training, while waiting for refurbishment. They’ve been running in service from both Charing Cross & Cannon Street all week and so far it’s been on; Charing X - Gravesend via Hither Grn & Sidcup Charing X - Dartford via Lewisham & Woolwich Cannon St - Orpington Cannon St - Hayes Cannon St Loop via Sidcup, Woolwich & Greenwich Cannon St Loop via Bexleyheath, Woolwich & Greenwich (peak hour only)
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Post by buspete on Oct 15, 2021 17:19:31 GMT
Over the last couple of days I have been on the new train (707) to 15:16 Cannon Street - Bexleyheath and it is rather a big improvement. I just wish they were replacing the awful, uncomfortable but functional 376 stock instead of the ageing 465, which I am more fond of, as more pleasant to travel on. I love the air conditioning, the walk through and the passenger information panels. These trains are identical to Thameslink, both being made by Bosch.
I don’t think London/Kent commuters will accept a dual fleet one being a greater comfort level, especially in the summer, so would suggest the tired 376 could do with being refurbished and air conditioning and the passenger information screens included, while they at it if they do they could add more comfortable seats
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Post by vjaska on Oct 15, 2021 17:38:42 GMT
Over the last couple of days I have been on the new train (707) to 15:16 Cannon Street - Bexleyheath and it is rather a big improvement. I just wish they were replacing the awful, uncomfortable but functional 376 stock instead of the ageing 465, which I am more fond of, as more pleasant to travel on. I love the air conditioning, the walk through and the passenger information panels. These trains are identical to Thameslink, both being made by Bosch. I don’t think London/Kent commuters will accept a dual fleet one being a greater comfort level, especially in the summer, so would suggest the tired 376 could do with being refurbished and air conditioning and the passenger information screens included, while they at it if they do they could add more comfortable seats I was looking at pics of the 376 and the interior does look like an after thought unlike Southern's Class 377's which are lovely to travel on. I agree that the 465's are nice to be on - was on three different ones on Tuesday just gone
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Post by greenboy on Oct 19, 2021 8:38:33 GMT
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Post by buspete on Oct 19, 2021 18:04:26 GMT
I did say a while back on here of the 3 tri-lines that converge on Dartford, Bexleyheath Line gets the worst service and today is a casing point.
Because of the above point failure, there is no trains outside the peaks on the Bexleyheath Line to London Bridge - Charing Cross
The Charing Cross service they could easily run to Cannon Street instead, which would bypass the points failure.
The Woolwich line has many trains going to London Bridge, maybe 6tph. The Charing Cross Service they could run via Greenwich, which mean could free up the slots for the Bexleyheath Line, so the Charing Cross service could run.
The Sidcup Line also has 6tph.
The Bexleyheath Line 0tph (apart from a far from useful Victoria Service)
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Post by twobellstogo on Oct 20, 2021 9:53:40 GMT
I did say a while back on here of the 3 tri-lines that converge on Dartford, Bexleyheath Line gets the worst service and today is a casing point. Because of the above point failure, there is no trains outside the peaks on the Bexleyheath Line to London Bridge - Charing Cross The Charing Cross service they could easily run to Cannon Street instead, which would bypass the points failure. The Woolwich line has many trains going to London Bridge, maybe 6tph. The Charing Cross Service they could run via Greenwich, which mean could free up the slots for the Bexleyheath Line, so the Charing Cross service could run. The Sidcup Line also has 6tph. The Bexleyheath Line 0tph (apart from a far from useful Victoria Service) Agree : this was a very poor choice from Southeastern - like you, I think the CHX service via Woolwich/Blackheath should have been the sacrificial lamb yesterday. I do wonder what SE have against the Bexleyheath line of late. A bit like SWR always hitting the Hampton Court services first at any sign of disruption.
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Post by greenboy on Oct 20, 2021 10:29:27 GMT
I did say a while back on here of the 3 tri-lines that converge on Dartford, Bexleyheath Line gets the worst service and today is a casing point. Because of the above point failure, there is no trains outside the peaks on the Bexleyheath Line to London Bridge - Charing Cross The Charing Cross service they could easily run to Cannon Street instead, which would bypass the points failure. The Woolwich line has many trains going to London Bridge, maybe 6tph. The Charing Cross Service they could run via Greenwich, which mean could free up the slots for the Bexleyheath Line, so the Charing Cross service could run. The Sidcup Line also has 6tph. The Bexleyheath Line 0tph (apart from a far from useful Victoria Service) Yesterday was exceptional circumstances to be fair and obviously only so many trains could be rerouted into Cannon Street. Unless I'm missing something the Sidcup line also has 4tph at the moment? Likewise the Orpington and Hayes services are 4tph and the Dartford to Victoria service is probably very useful to a lot of people.
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