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Post by Dillon95 on Jan 5, 2022 10:53:51 GMT
Just out of interest as pointed out Bexleyheath/Woolwich Line was going to lose its Charing Cross service, if this was to happen was there any proposal on the Bexleyheath Line to up the frequency to give a metro service as compensation for the lose of Charing Cross? I think it would have been 6tph all Cannon Street on the Bexleyheath line, it would have been the same on the Woolwich line except it may have still kept the Thameslink service at 2tph via Greenwich, although the ITT at the time made no mention of Thameslink. The whole thing is a non starter anyway, Charing Cross will always be a popular station, even the Thameslink trains have passengers getting off at London Bridge to get a CX train from platform 9/10, there are still Greenwich line passengers who still want the return of CX trains after all this time! Well Charing Cross is the touristy bit, and Cannon Street is the office bit. Both are needed.
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Post by greenboy on Jan 5, 2022 10:59:50 GMT
I think it would have been 6tph all Cannon Street on the Bexleyheath line, it would have been the same on the Woolwich line except it may have still kept the Thameslink service at 2tph via Greenwich, although the ITT at the time made no mention of Thameslink. The whole thing is a non starter anyway, Charing Cross will always be a popular station, even the Thameslink trains have passengers getting off at London Bridge to get a CX train from platform 9/10, there are still Greenwich line passengers who still want the return of CX trains after all this time! Well Charing Cross is the touristy bit, and Cannon Street is the office bit. Both are needed. With the reduced service starting next week the Bexleyheath service will have no off peak service to Cannon Street. It'll be 2tph to Charing Cross and 2tph to Victoria.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 5, 2022 11:32:48 GMT
Well Charing Cross is the touristy bit, and Cannon Street is the office bit. Both are needed. With the reduced service starting next week the Bexleyheath service will have no off peak service to Cannon Street. It'll be 2tph to Charing Cross and 2tph to Victoria. Bexleyheath line has had no off peak service to Cannon Street for a very long time now. The reduced timetable removes the peak hour Cannon Street services too.
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Post by Dillon95 on Jan 6, 2022 10:15:26 GMT
Well Charing Cross is the touristy bit, and Cannon Street is the office bit. Both are needed. With the reduced service starting next week the Bexleyheath service will have no off peak service to Cannon Street. It'll be 2tph to Charing Cross and 2tph to Victoria. I’m sure lots of people change on the Bexleyheath Line at London Bridge for Cannon Street/Blackfriars.
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Post by buspete on Feb 13, 2022 2:01:51 GMT
The new Desiro train being very nice and comfortable but very seldom to be seen, I thought these were going to replace the entire ageing Networker fleet?
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Post by snowman on Feb 13, 2022 7:19:58 GMT
The new Desiro train being very nice and comfortable but very seldom to be seen, I thought these were going to replace the entire ageing Networker fleet? Not quite new, they are being transferred from South Western. However the transfers have been stopped, because SWR hasn’t managed to get its new suburban fleet into service (were supposed to have been introduced Autumn 2019 to Dec 2020 per franchise). SWR have also withdrawn some older class 455 and 456 (because leases have ended, or run out of miles before needing overhaul) but haven’t yet put any of the new units into service due to multiple faults 29 months later.
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Post by Nathan on Feb 13, 2022 11:07:55 GMT
The new Desiro train being very nice and comfortable but very seldom to be seen, I thought these were going to replace the entire ageing Networker fleet? Not quite new, they are being transferred from South Western. However the transfers have been stopped, because SWR hasn’t managed to get its new suburban fleet into service (were supposed to have been introduced Autumn 2019 to Dec 2020 per franchise). SWR have also withdrawn some older class 455 and 456 (because leases have ended, or run out of miles before needing overhaul) but haven’t yet put any of the new units into service due to multiple faults 29 months later. That’s a shame. I’ve only seen these trains a handful of times running through Slade Green/Barnehurst. I’ve gotten quite bored of the 376s and 465s now
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Post by vjaska on Feb 13, 2022 12:27:04 GMT
The new Desiro train being very nice and comfortable but very seldom to be seen, I thought these were going to replace the entire ageing Networker fleet? AFAIK, even once the ones still with SWR move over, there isn’t anywhere near enough to oust the 465’s and thank goodness too as they are still lovely trains to ride on. There are also rumours that Southeastern is to see some Electrostars head to Southern to oust the 313’s on East Coastway in the near future
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 13, 2022 15:28:19 GMT
The new Desiro train being very nice and comfortable but very seldom to be seen, I thought these were going to replace the entire ageing Networker fleet? AFAIK, even once the ones still with SWR move over, there isn’t anywhere near enough to oust the 465’s and thank goodness too as they are still lovely trains to ride on. There are also rumours that Southeastern is to see some Electrostars head to Southern to oust the 313’s on East Coastway in the near future The 465/2s have already all been ousted, and I believe a medium term plan is to also remove the 466s too. A few 465/0s have also gone, but the longer term Networker fleet should be most 465/0s, all 465/1s and all 465/9s.
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 13, 2022 15:33:36 GMT
AFAIK, even once the ones still with SWR move over, there isn’t anywhere near enough to oust the 465’s and thank goodness too as they are still lovely trains to ride on. There are also rumours that Southeastern is to see some Electrostars head to Southern to oust the 313’s on East Coastway in the near future The 465/2s have already all been ousted, and I believe a medium term plan is to also remove the 466s too. A few 465/0s have also gone, but the longer term Networker fleet should be most 465/0s, all 465/1s and all 465/9s. The 465/0’s that were stored in Worksop have now returned to Southeastern. It’s just the 465/2’s and some 466’s that are gone
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Post by greenboy on Feb 13, 2022 16:01:51 GMT
The 465/2s have already all been ousted, and I believe a medium term plan is to also remove the 466s too. A few 465/0s have also gone, but the longer term Networker fleet should be most 465/0s, all 465/1s and all 465/9s. The 465/0’s that were stored in Worksop have now returned to Southeastern. It’s just the 465/2’s and some 466’s that are gone I think most if not all the 465/2's have been moved to cold storage at Ely?
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Post by 700101 on Feb 13, 2022 18:53:05 GMT
The new Desiro train being very nice and comfortable but very seldom to be seen, I thought these were going to replace the entire ageing Networker fleet? AFAIK, even once the ones still with SWR move over, there isn’t anywhere near enough to oust the 465’s and thank goodness too as they are still lovely trains to ride on. There are also rumours that Southeastern is to see some Electrostars head to Southern to oust the 313’s on East Coastway in the near future Regarding the Electrostars that would be the 2 377/1’s & 23 377/5’s (which are a long term loan from GTR) but SE would need a replacement for when these transfer back to GTR
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Post by buspete on Feb 13, 2022 19:18:41 GMT
The new Desiro train being very nice and comfortable but very seldom to be seen, I thought these were going to replace the entire ageing Networker fleet? AFAIK, even once the ones still with SWR move over, there isn’t anywhere near enough to oust the 465’s and thank goodness too as they are still lovely trains to ride on. There are also rumours that Southeastern is to see some Electrostars head to Southern to oust the 313’s on East Coastway in the near future I thought the Beam trains were going to replace all the 465. I get why Southeastern train took these trains because they became available, but with some of the 465’s being replace they are surely coming to the end of their useful lives, I am a fan of the train and prefer the 476 over the 375 commuter fleet. What the Desiro does over and that is air conditioning, which is a vast improvement, as on a very hot day the old fleets can be energy sapping and sitting on one side of the train is unbearable on a very hot day. All trains need air conditioning either by new trains or refurbishment. That is one of the factors why I will use Crossrail to work when it opens.
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Post by buspete on Feb 13, 2022 19:23:43 GMT
Just out of interest as pointed out Bexleyheath/Woolwich Line was going to lose its Charing Cross service, if this was to happen was there any proposal on the Bexleyheath Line to up the frequency to give a metro service as compensation for the lose of Charing Cross? I think it would have been 6tph all Cannon Street on the Bexleyheath line, it would have been the same on the Woolwich line except it may have still kept the Thameslink service at 2tph via Greenwich, although the ITT at the time made no mention of Thameslink. The whole thing is a non starter anyway, Charing Cross will always be a popular station, even the Thameslink trains have passengers getting off at London Bridge to get a CX train from platform 9/10, there are still Greenwich line passengers who still want the return of CX trains after all this time! The promise when rebuilding London Bridge was that they were going to untangle the lines and achieve faster journeys by removing one of the worst blockage in the country. Cutting the Woolwich/Bexleyheath trains to Charing Cross wouldn’t be progressive with what was promised. We were promised faster journey times, these seem slower now, with so much headway built in, my train sits in London Bridge for 4 minutes.
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 13, 2022 19:24:18 GMT
The 465/0’s that were stored in Worksop have now returned to Southeastern. It’s just the 465/2’s and some 466’s that are gone I think most if not all the 465/2's have been moved to cold storage at Ely? Yes, they are gradually being moved there.
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