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Post by greenboy on Jan 11, 2020 13:10:00 GMT
It costs money to change blinds, tiles, timetables, maps & internal documents so I don’t see how logical it would be especially in a time when the finances aren’t great. I totally understand that money is hard to come by these days and I get that but I think it should come back as it was before 2003. The other reason I think it should come back is to go Via the old routing to fill in the gap where the 10 used to go (I know the 14 dose that bit) What is the point of changing route numbers just to please a few enthusiasts? |
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Post by stas on Jan 11, 2020 21:13:29 GMT
TFL created a mess when they split not just the 73 but E.G 159-139
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ETC. The 73 was split into 3 sections and then those were split aswell! 10-390.
3 routes overlapping on Oxford Street no wonder the road was overbussed and thats just 1 route. They have dismantled a route system that took years to create and left gaps in central london.
I was on Tottenham Ct Rd a few weeks ago, wanting to go to Knightsbridge. A few months ago the 10 & 14 was the choice, now nothing! Have to use a hopper fare,changing busses causes more issues by busses taking longer to board.
Livingstone improved the network to relieve the tube. What the hell happened ?
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Post by vjaska on Jan 11, 2020 21:31:46 GMT
TFL created a mess when they split not just the 73 but E.G 159-139 88-94 19-219-319 ETC. The 73 was split into 3 sections and then those were split aswell! 10-390. 3 routes overlapping on Oxford Street no wonder the road was overbussed and thats just 1 route. They have dismantled a route system that took years to create and left gaps in central london. I was on Tottenham Ct Rd a few weeks ago, wanting to go to Knightsbridge. A few months ago the 10 & 14 was the choice, now nothing! Have to use a hopper fare,changing busses causes more issues by busses taking longer to board. Livingstone improved the network to relieve the tube. What the hell happened ? TfL never split those above routes as they were all split long before they came into existence but TfL did cut back a number of those routes mentioned to cut the number of buses using Oxford Street. Sadly, it had to be done due to rising traffic conditions which would of been affecting reliability - maybe the powers that be should of concentrated on reducing congestion at the time instead as we sitting here 30-40 years later staring at similar issues. |
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Post by 123ToLondon on Sept 26, 2022 19:05:58 GMT
Fantasy but ELT renumbered just for the sake of it.
El1 to 361
El2 to 369
El3 to 387
Because TFL worry to much about making the Riverside area ELT completely
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Post by WH241 on Sept 26, 2022 19:12:01 GMT
Fantasy but ELT renumbered just for the sake of it. El1 to 361 El2 to 369 El3 to 348 I appreciate you said its fantasy but can't see it happening anytime soon. What I can see happening eventually is the ELT livery being discontinued! It doesn't really have any benefits and buses end up on other routes anyway! |
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Post by TB123 on Sept 26, 2022 19:23:59 GMT
Fantasy but ELT renumbered just for the sake of it. El1 to 361 El2 to 369 El3 to 348 Surely you'd just renumber the EL1/EL3 back to the 369/387 like previously |
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 26, 2022 20:10:14 GMT
I can see the 507 becoming the 11 as if the 521 is going then they might aswell bring the red arrow idea to an end now. Would seem odd to have 1 route left with the open boarding arrangement which people are used to with the Red Arrows.
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Post by SouthLondoner468 on Sept 26, 2022 20:23:05 GMT
Fantasy but ELT renumbered just for the sake of it. El1 to 361 El2 to 369 El3 to 348 Wasn’t the EL3 numbered 387? |
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 26, 2022 20:32:06 GMT
55 becomes 48 because the new route is more 48 than 55. The 48 could have been diverted to Oxford Circus instead of being withdrawn and the 55 withdrawn instead
507 becomes 11 because the new routing is kind of ridiculous and i'd prefer the 507 to be withdrawn
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Post by southlondonbus on Sept 26, 2022 20:53:03 GMT
Fantasy but ELT renumbered just for the sake of it. El1 to 361 El2 to 369 El3 to 348 Wasn’t the EL3 numbered 387? Yes it was. There was an 87 theme in Barking once with the 87/287/387. |
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Post by WH241 on Sept 26, 2022 21:15:46 GMT
55 becomes 48 because the new route is more 48 than 55. The 48 could have been diverted to Oxford Circus instead of being withdrawn and the 55 withdrawn instead 507 becomes 11 because the new routing is kind of ridiculous and i'd prefer the 507 to be withdrawn How on earth is the 55 more 48 when it had a small extension from Leyton to Walthamstow and the rest of the route is exactly as the 55 used to be. |
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Post by northlondon83 on Sept 26, 2022 21:51:37 GMT
55 becomes 48 because the new route is more 48 than 55. The 48 could have been diverted to Oxford Circus instead of being withdrawn and the 55 withdrawn instead 507 becomes 11 because the new routing is kind of ridiculous and i'd prefer the 507 to be withdrawn How on earth is the 55 more 48 when it had a small extension from Leyton to Walthamstow and the rest of the route is exactly as the 55 used to be. 48 used to be London Bridge to Walthamstow, 55 Oxford Circus to Leyton. Removing the 55 and diverting the 48 is simpler than extending the 55 and withdrawing the 48. Numbers are numbers though and it's not a big deal really |
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Post by ronnie on Sept 26, 2022 22:16:46 GMT
How on earth is the 55 more 48 when it had a small extension from Leyton to Walthamstow and the rest of the route is exactly as the 55 used to be. 48 used to be London Bridge to Walthamstow, 55 Oxford Circus to Leyton. Removing the 55 and diverting the 48 is simpler than extending the 55 and withdrawing the 48. Numbers are numbers though and it's not a big deal really I am completely lost at that logic |
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Post by COBO on Sept 26, 2022 22:43:17 GMT
H12 to 395
395 to H12
390 to 10
148 to 48
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 26, 2022 23:23:39 GMT
55 becomes 48 because the new route is more 48 than 55. The 48 could have been diverted to Oxford Circus instead of being withdrawn and the 55 withdrawn instead 507 becomes 11 because the new routing is kind of ridiculous and i'd prefer the 507 to be withdrawn Total nonsense. The route is MORE 55. If you knew your history you would NOT come up with a statement like that. The 48 used to go from Clapton Pond as the 56 does to Dalston Junction, then the 149 route to London Bridge and initially went to Whipps Cross. The 48 changed to Walthamstow Central with the 55 changed to Whipps Cross in the mid 80's. Due to traffic etc there was a big shake up of Lea Bridge Rd routes in 1990. It sadly saw the end of the 38 going down Lea Bridge Rd to Leyton Green. The 56 was created, 38 and 55 cut back to Clapton Pond, 35 cut back to Shoreditch and 48 re-routed to follow the 55 route from Clapton Pond to Shoreditch to compensate for the loss of the 35. There was large petitioning in due to the loss of a direct route to the west end and for the 38 to be reinstated Daily instead of just Sundays to Leyton Green. Then in 1997 the 55 was re-extended back to Bakers Arms. |
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