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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2016 4:05:28 GMT
Voila  WHOA you've been busy. Some interesting renumbers there. I like prefix numbers myself, though the ones not even serving the relevant centres like E3, E5, H12 etc etc irk me a bit. For me much rather save the prefixes for routes starting from/terminating in the city centre. I always thought Orpington bus routes should have the letter 'O', does anyone know for an upcoming pub quiz why they are designated 'R'? |
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Post by vjaska on Nov 12, 2016 5:02:26 GMT
Voila WHOA you've been busy. Some interesting renumbers there. I like prefix numbers myself, though the ones not even serving the relevant centres like E3, E5, H12 etc etc irk me a bit. For me much rather save the prefixes for routes starting from/terminating in the city centre. I always thought Orpington bus routes should have the letter 'O', does anyone know for an upcoming pub quiz why they are designated 'R'? The R stands for Roundabout as in the former operator of the R routes, Roundabout Buses  |
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Post by Green Kitten on Nov 12, 2016 7:34:11 GMT
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Post by Lewis J.N. on Nov 12, 2016 8:10:29 GMT
I don't quite understand everyone's particular aim towards renumbering the 607.
The 607 is steeped in history from when it was the Uxbridge Road tram route to now. It's even the only London route to still carry the iconic white on 'airbus' blue blinds and, although I know they don't say 'Limited Stop' any more, I think that should stay.
If we still had the Edgware Road express bus, it'd be the 616, a very similar if not identical setup to the 607.
Also I agree with those around, there are some cases where prefixed routes make little or no sense; for me the H13 comes to mind which serves barely any Harrow. But I quite like the prefixed routes, the local networks that show the history of pre-TFL management, so I wouldn't change any of it given half a chance!
What I would suggest, however, is new blinds for the H9/10 and H18/19 circular routes. Now that the blind layout is top/bottom, it would be quite easy to display 'Harrow Circular / VIA WEALDSTONE', for example. Drivers could then change the display once halfway round the circle to 'Harrow Bus Station' or just 'Harrow'.
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Post by thesquirrels on Nov 12, 2016 8:10:45 GMT
Tongue in cheek suggestion, but if I wanted to poke the bear here I'd suggest a renumbering of a few routes in the Barnet area
383 - B3
384 - B4
326 - B6
389 - B8
399 - B9
All local routes with hoppa origins. It's interesting to note that that these routes appeared at a time when LT was assigning prefix numbers left right and centre yet they graced the Barnet area services with 'proper' numbers - although they were assigning the low B numbers to Barking area routes around that time so perhaps that is why.
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 12, 2016 8:40:18 GMT
The W routes are missing W1, W2 - and I think the 607 could gain a different number I'm not an east end bod so not sure but didn't there used to be a W1? Odd that they are not used considering numbering goes as far as W19 I think the BBC had a W1 shuttle bus between various studios (shuttle between the site at the top of Regent Street down the A40 to the White City Media Centre - not everything has moved to Manchester) - using plain white E200s with LED's (jealous of the LED's  ) I think Impact (Tower Transit) or National Express run it for them but it's more of a shuttle than commercial route. I think in the mists of time there was a W2  |
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Post by ServerKing on Nov 12, 2016 8:43:47 GMT
Tongue in cheek suggestion, but if I wanted to poke the bear here I'd suggest a renumbering of a few routes in the Barnet area 383 - B3 384 - B4 326 - B6 389 - B8 399 - B9 All local routes with hoppa origins. It's interesting to note that that these routes appeared at a time when LT was assigning prefix numbers left right and centre yet they graced the Barnet area services with 'proper' numbers - although they were assigning the low B numbers to Barking area routes around that time so perhaps that is why. B1 between Barnet and Barking via Edmonton, operated by Arriva using VLA class buses from Edmonton - gets them off the 123  |
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Post by sw11simon on Nov 12, 2016 10:02:17 GMT
not an east end bod so not sure but didn't there used to be a W1? Odd that they are not used considering numbering goes as far as W19 I think the BBC had a W1 shuttle bus between various studios (shuttle between the site at the top of Regent Street down the A40 to the White City Media Centre - not everything has moved to Manchester) - using plain white E200s with LED's (jealous of the LED's ) I think Impact (Tower Transit) or National Express run it for them but it's more of a shuttle than commercial route. I think in the mists of time there was a W2 There was a route W1 that ran between Edmonton and Wood Green from 1968 until 1977 when it was replaced by enhancements to route 144. Route W2 was introduced as an express service in 1968 that ran Finsbury Park to Turnpike Lane/Wood Green. It lost its express nature the following year but lasted until 1997 when route 329 took over (by then the route was Finsbury Park to Enfield.) |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 12, 2016 10:13:28 GMT
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 12, 2016 11:18:13 GMT
If any route was to be renumbered I think it should only be the 607 which should become X27.
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Post by thesquirrels on Nov 12, 2016 11:37:30 GMT
I think the BBC had a W1 shuttle bus between various studios (shuttle between the site at the top of Regent Street down the A40 to the White City Media Centre - not everything has moved to Manchester) - using plain white E200s with LED's (jealous of the LED's ) I think Impact (Tower Transit) or National Express run it for them but it's more of a shuttle than commercial route. I think in the mists of time there was a W2 There was a route W1 that ran between Edmonton and Wood Green from 1968 until 1977 when it was replaced by enhancements to route 144. Route W2 was introduced as an express service in 1968 that ran Finsbury Park to Turnpike Lane/Wood Green. It lost its express nature the following year but lasted until 1997 when route 329 took over (by then the route was Finsbury Park to Enfield.) Local rumbles still advocate for a replacement for the 'round the corner' function the W2 provided in Hornsey which was lost without replacement. When LT axed the W2 it did provide a SDO substitute between Crouch End and Wood Green via Priory Road in the shape of the 644 - the only time the route was really busy, as memory has it. The W7 and 329 were also enhanced to compensate, in practice I'm not sure any resources were actually saved! The W7 was a wedge-a-thon in the peaks even then though, arguably enhancing that route made more sense than laying on a W2 every 15 minutes which often appeared right behind the W7 for the common stretch. The same argument can be made for the 329. I haven't seen the BBC Shuttle in the last 12 months or so but in years past I've not seen a route number displayed - the LEDs have always just displayed "BBC W12"/"White City" etc - detail enough for the staff looking to use the route. |
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Post by COBO on Nov 12, 2016 12:12:13 GMT
If any route was to be renumbered I think it should only be the 607 which should become X27. Why x27 and not x207? |
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Post by danorak on Nov 12, 2016 12:47:32 GMT
If any route was to be renumbered I think it should only be the 607 which should become X27. Why x27 and not x207? I think this has been suggested because the route also covers the 427. I'd avoid using X27 personally as the real 27 is close by and people could quite easily regard X27 as a limited stop version of that. As I've said before, my pet hate is the S-series which I continually misread as 54 etc. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 12, 2016 13:09:17 GMT
If any route was to be renumbered I think it should only be the 607 which should become X27. Why x27 and not x207? X207 feels a bit long personally, and as danorak said it also covers the 427 to Uxbridge. |
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Post by john on Nov 12, 2016 14:01:39 GMT
I just need to make a few points on this.
1) if the ELT routes were to be renumbered, surely the EL1 would revert back to 369 and EL3 remain as 387??
2) the 607 number is actually the number the route had when it operated by trolleybuses. If my memory serves me right (from literature not experience), it was one of the only routes that converted directly from trolley to diesel with no number or route changes......or maybe it was the 207 that was born from it lol. Either way, it's a very strong historical link that does continue on from the trolley and tram operated days
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) I think Impact (Tower Transit) or National Express run it for them but it's more of a shuttle than commercial route. I think in the mists of time there was a W2 
that you'd devote so little time to such a "controversial" post. Suggests a bit of a poor attitude towards your fellow Forum members. 
