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Post by routew15 on May 19, 2015 18:28:25 GMT
Disappointed there was no offer of a Night Service on the W15. Hope there's a high amount of people to suggest an NW15. I think the frequency of the 123 is to low every 20 mins would be more appropiate. Would not surprise me if there will be a further reduction of the 134 and N155 to every 20 mins. Quite happy with the proposal. Shoreditch gaining another night route, night journeys on the 132/486 (though one of the two should have been extended to Dartford IMO  ), Croydon and Sutton being relinked with the 154, the N133 finally extended to Morden, the exciting new N199... My only niggle is whether a night service for the 222 is needed, it seems to serve some quiet areas. Similarly with the 307, wouldn't an extension of the N29 to Oakwood Station or even High Barnet (if the demand is there) be enough? I could be grossly wrong in both cases.  I think extending the N29 would not be sensible the frenquency would be to high, in comparison to the 307s which is more appropiate. |
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Post by John tuthill on May 19, 2015 18:31:45 GMT
I for one am glad that tfl have made sensible choices without assuming that people will automatically switch to the night tube. These proposals still leave a lot of room for changes on night routes. I am a little disappointed that neither the 163 or 164 has been offered a night service but like I said there's still plenty of room for more changes in the future. Thinking logically  I would assume that a 'settling in' period would be needed when the night tubes are running, to see what effect it has on parallel night bus routes? |
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Post by sid on May 19, 2015 18:32:10 GMT
Just had a quick flick through it, I don't think North Greenwich has adequate provision and I would have thought a Fri/Sat night service on the 161 and 422 would be justified.
I would have thought a 7 night a week night service would be justified on the 114,123,154 and 319 although extending the N19 to Streatham might be a better option in the case of the latter.
The 47/N199 change is good although I would have rerouted the N47 at Catford to Sydenham and maybe onto Penge as the N75 isn't returning. Maybe alternate journeys on the N199 should go via PRU hospital and Farnborough with the full service extended from St Mary Cray to Sidcup, also connects with the 321.
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Post by DT 11 on May 19, 2015 18:41:44 GMT
Just had a quick flick through it, I don't think North Greenwich has adequate provision and I would have thought a Fri/Sat night service on the 161 and 422 would be justified. I would have thought a 7 night a week night service would be justified on the 114,123,154 and 319 although extending the N19 to Streatham might be a better option in the case of the latter. The 47/N199 change is good although I would have rerouted the N47 at Catford to Sydenham and maybe onto Penge as the N75 isn't returning. Maybe alternate journeys on the N199 should go via PRU hospital and Farnborough with the full service extended from St Mary Cray to Sidcup, also connects with the 321. No point, just divert the New N47 to Croydon Town Centre via the 75, N47: Shoreditch - Croydon Town Centre. I think it would be quite a popular service. The N199 is to replace part of the current N47 so no need to serve PRH, that could be sorted with a 24 Hour 358. I agree with the idea to extend the N19 to Streatham |
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Post by maximus23 on May 19, 2015 18:41:57 GMT
Disappointed there was no offer of a Night Service on the W15. Hope there's a high amount of people to suggest an NW15. I think the frequency of the 123 is to low every 20 mins would be more appropiate. Would not surprise me if there will be a further reduction of the 134 and N155 to every 20 mins. Quite happy with the proposal. Shoreditch gaining another night route, night journeys on the 132/486 (though one of the two should have been extended to Dartford IMO ), Croydon and Sutton being relinked with the 154, the N133 finally extended to Morden, the exciting new N199... My only niggle is whether a night service for the 222 is needed, it seems to serve some quiet areas. Similarly with the 307, wouldn't an extension of the N29 to Oakwood Station or even High Barnet (if the demand is there) be enough? I could be grossly wrong in both cases. I think extending the N29 would not be sensible the frenquency would be to high, in comparison to the 307s which is more appropiate. In my response to the consultation, I suggested an N307 from Brimsdown to Enfield Island village via route 491 |
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Post by sid on May 19, 2015 18:54:07 GMT
Just had a quick flick through it, I don't think North Greenwich has adequate provision and I would have thought a Fri/Sat night service on the 161 and 422 would be justified. I would have thought a 7 night a week night service would be justified on the 114,123,154 and 319 although extending the N19 to Streatham might be a better option in the case of the latter. The 47/N199 change is good although I would have rerouted the N47 at Catford to Sydenham and maybe onto Penge as the N75 isn't returning. Maybe alternate journeys on the N199 should go via PRU hospital and Farnborough with the full service extended from St Mary Cray to Sidcup, also connects with the 321. No point, just divert the New N47 to Croydon Town Centre via the 75, N47: Shoreditch - Croydon Town Centre. I think it would be quite a popular service. The N199 is to replace part of the current N47 so no need to serve PRH, that could be sorted with a 24 Hour 358. I agree with the idea to extend the N19 to Streatham Yes the N47 through to Croydon would be even better. If the 358 was 24hour the N3 would almost certainly be withdrawn beyond Crystal Palace. Maybe just have a N358 Bromley North to Orpington and onto Sidcup, the N199 could be cut back to Orpington. |
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Post by southlondonbus on May 19, 2015 19:00:49 GMT
As these routes are not going to have an N prefix (that's how I understand it) how are they going to be marketed. I remember the N3 when it was extended Friday and Saturday night to bromley and Chislehurst had e titles saying 'N3 Friday and Saturday nights' but how will they show a 24h sevice on just Friday and Saturday nights?
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Post by snoggle on May 19, 2015 19:17:30 GMT
As these routes are not going to have an N prefix (that's how I understand it) how are they going to be marketed. I remember the N3 when it was extended Friday and Saturday night to bromley and Chislehurst had e titles saying 'N3 Friday and Saturday nights' but how will they show a 24h sevice on just Friday and Saturday nights? That was one question that I had and on which the consultation is surprisingly silent. When I invented the Weekend Only Night Bus concept in a fantasy bus game I used the name "Weekend 24" for those routes that ran only on Friday and Sat nights. I'd not be astonished if TfL did something similar as the term conveys the basic concept. Shame I haven't copyrighted the name.   |
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Post by Trident on May 19, 2015 19:28:38 GMT
Good to finally see the 238 being proposed for a full 24 hour service on all nights. This route is really useful for people to/from the Plashet Road corridor as well as the direct link from East Ham over to Stratford. I can see the night service growing in usage gradually.
Also good to see the 158 proposed for a weekend night service and provide night links to areas of Leyton & Walthamstow (Higham Hill) that don't have any.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 19:51:38 GMT
It's about time with the 238!!! I hope its more successful than the N58 N101 which ran to East Ham previously. But saying that its been 10 or so years.... |
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Post by vjaska on May 19, 2015 20:52:10 GMT
Disappointed to see no P4 in there - there's a lot of territory it serves where there isn't a night service and Brixton has a tube station as well as its own big night scene. Other than that, didn't expect any other Brixton routes to be in there.
Good to see the N133 & 154 changes going ahead - I'm sure many will be happy with that.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 21:34:06 GMT
I for one am glad that tfl have made sensible choices without assuming that people will automatically switch to the night tube. These proposals still leave a lot of room for changes on night routes. I am a little disappointed that neither the 163 or 164 has been offered a night service but like I said there's still plenty of room for more changes in the future. Thinking logically I would assume that a 'settling in' period would be needed when the night tubes are running, to see what effect it has on parallel night bus routes? Definetly, maybe after the other tube lines start running fri/sat night service we will see more changes. No doubt TfL will keep a careful eye on numbers on both the night tube and the parallel bus routes. |
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Post by snoggle on May 19, 2015 21:37:47 GMT
It's about time with the 238!!! I hope its more successful than the N58 N101 which ran to East Ham previously. But saying that its been 10 or so years.... It's worth saying that the N58 was carrying around 60k pass jnys pa and the N75 circa 100k pass jnys pa when they were withdrawn. The N101 was doing much worse with around 25k pass jnys pa. The N474 manages 68k pass jnys per annum so I don't think serving East Ham is the kiss of death to Night Buses. The N365 currently gets around 50k pass jnys pa so you have to wonder quite what was going in TfL when some of the older suburban night buses were chopped given the patronage levels that are deemed acceptable these days. |
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Post by rmz19 on May 19, 2015 22:24:46 GMT
I'm glad all night bus routes are being retained and none are being removed, TFL have gone for the wise decision to reduce frequencies rather than removing routes to compliment the introduction of the Night Tube and cater for London's growing night scene. In fact, it has proved to be the complete opposite to previous speculations with the introduction of new night bus routes!. The N199 is a great idea in particular, adding capacity and providing an alternative to the future 24 Hour 47. I would've particularly liked all of the proposed Friday/Saturday night routes to run 24-7, I guess this is just a start. Good news nonetheless  |
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 22:38:06 GMT
Great news. I 100% welcome all these changes. ruislip defently needing the 114 service and a good idea with the N133. Also atlast a much needed semi-reinstated of the lost section of the N213 between croydon and sutton. Have put in the consultation that the 154 should be 24/7 but do welcome the weekend night bus service on this route.
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Quite happy with the proposal. Shoreditch gaining another night route, night journeys on the 132/486 (though one of the two should have been extended to Dartford IMO 
), Croydon and Sutton being relinked with the 154, the N133 finally extended to Morden, the exciting new N199...
I would assume that a 'settling in' period would be needed when the night tubes are running, to see what effect 
