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Post by sid on May 22, 2015 13:59:10 GMT
The N199 is a great idea but I think keeping the N47 running from Trafalgar Sq then run via Aldwych, Fetter Lane, Old Street, Shoreditch then run via day service on the 47 to Catford then via The 202 to Sydenham run via 75 to Croydon. This gives Lower Sydenham a night bus plus brings back a night service over 3/4 of the 75 route I'd prefer there to have the N75 re-introduced but extended from Lewisham to Woolwich via the 54. I'm not sure that a night service over the 54 is justified as it is already covered by the 53 and 108? A big benefit of extending the N47 from Catford to Croydon is the tube connection from Canada Water or Surrey Quays.
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Post by M1104 on May 24, 2015 10:31:51 GMT
I'm suprised the 344 wasn't extended (+pvr increase) into Shoreditch for Fri/Sat nights to help out the parallel N35 between Central London and the Elephant. The N47 idea is nevertheless a great plan for the Shoreditch area.
Glad the N133 is finally getting its long awaited extention into Morden but a bit shocked/disappointed the 319's night runs are only at weekends. Nevertheless should be a stepping stone into getting a nightly service for the Wandsworth Common and Tooting Bec common areas. Should have had at least a 30 minute frequency for the Sun-Thurs night service.
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Post by M1104 on May 24, 2015 10:53:25 GMT
I for one am glad that tfl have made sensible choices without assuming that people will automatically switch to the night tube. These proposals still leave a lot of room for changes on night routes. I am a little disappointed that neither the 163 or 164 has been offered a night service but like I said there's still plenty of room for more changes in the future. Should the District Line start a night service on the Wimbledon branch I'm sure the 163/164 would be considered...perhaps even the 200 as all three routes generally serve large residential areas and serve two tube stations.
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Post by rmz19 on May 24, 2015 11:05:30 GMT
The 142 should be converted to 24 Hours giving Watford a night service, I'm surprised this was not in the consultation. Passengers would have the Northern and Jubilee Lines to connect them to the 142 and already have several night routes such as the 189/266/N5/N16/N98/N113, so this would be a simple and effective idea.
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Post by snoggle on May 24, 2015 13:30:00 GMT
The 142 should be converted to 24 Hours giving Watford a night service, I'm surprised this was not in the consultation. Passengers would have the Northern and Jubilee Lines to connect them to the 142 and already have several night routes such as the 189/266/N5/N16/N98/N113, so this would be a simple and effective idea. I guess the issue is whether you really need another 2 bph from Staples Corner to Edgware. I suspect that's unlikely. Perhaps you should suggest a N142 to TfL but only running Edgware to Watford? This gives the links to / from the tube but doesn't overbus the section south of Edgware.
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Post by snoggle on May 24, 2015 13:35:39 GMT
I for one am glad that tfl have made sensible choices without assuming that people will automatically switch to the night tube. These proposals still leave a lot of room for changes on night routes. I am a little disappointed that neither the 163 or 164 has been offered a night service but like I said there's still plenty of room for more changes in the future. Should the District Line start a night service on the Wimbledon branch I'm sure the 163/164 would be considered...perhaps even the 200 as all three routes generally serve large residential areas and serve two tube stations. Surely a night 164 has a purpose in this first phase of weekend night buses given it serves Morden? The only issue is that it part overlaps with the 154 towards Sutton. I think TfL are trying quite hard to avoid overbussing sections of the network with the extra weekend night buses.
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Post by M1104 on May 24, 2015 13:49:18 GMT
Should the District Line start a night service on the Wimbledon branch I'm sure the 163/164 would be considered...perhaps even the 200 as all three routes generally serve large residential areas and serve two tube stations. Surely a night 164 has a purpose in this first phase of weekend night buses given it serves Morden? The only issue is that it part overlaps with the 154 towards Sutton. I think TfL are trying quite hard to avoid overbussing sections of the network with the extra weekend night buses. This is where the 163 could be considered as it runs with the 164 between Wimbledon and Raynes Park via Wimbledon Chase before paralleling via Lower Morden (loadsa houses) into Morden Station...a sort of a '164A' if you like. With it being such a short journey no more than 3 buses should be required, taking into account drivers going on meal relief. ...Alternatively, extend the 154 to Wimbledon via the 163 or 164.
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Post by rmz19 on May 24, 2015 14:19:36 GMT
The 142 should be converted to 24 Hours giving Watford a night service, I'm surprised this was not in the consultation. Passengers would have the Northern and Jubilee Lines to connect them to the 142 and already have several night routes such as the 189/266/N5/N16/N98/N113, so this would be a simple and effective idea. I guess the issue is whether you really need another 2 bph from Staples Corner to Edgware. I suspect that's unlikely. Perhaps you should suggest a N142 to TfL but only running Edgware to Watford? This gives the links to / from the tube but doesn't overbus the section south of Edgware. A night service shorter than its daytime equivalent? I don't see a point in this TBH, the 142 may as well continue to Brent Cross and provide a useful night link to Watford from there and along the A5. Overbussing a relatively small section shouldn't be an issue if you look at the bigger picture of this idea.
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Post by twobellstogo on May 24, 2015 14:51:51 GMT
A bit disappointed that the 422 hasn't been considered for a Fri/Sat night service, otherwise in my part of the world, the TfL proposals look pretty decent.
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Post by jrussa on May 24, 2015 15:21:24 GMT
The 142 should be converted to 24 Hours giving Watford a night service, I'm surprised this was not in the consultation. Passengers would have the Northern and Jubilee Lines to connect them to the 142 and already have several night routes such as the 189/266/N5/N16/N98/N113, so this would be a simple and effective idea. I guess the issue is whether you really need another 2 bph from Staples Corner to Edgware. I suspect that's unlikely. Perhaps you should suggest a N142 to TfL but only running Edgware to Watford? This gives the links to / from the tube but doesn't overbus the section south of Edgware. How about extending Route N5 from Edgware to Watford. The journey time on Route N5 is around 50-60 minutes.
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Post by snoggle on May 24, 2015 15:21:53 GMT
I guess the issue is whether you really need another 2 bph from Staples Corner to Edgware. I suspect that's unlikely. Perhaps you should suggest a N142 to TfL but only running Edgware to Watford? This gives the links to / from the tube but doesn't overbus the section south of Edgware. A night service shorter than its daytime equivalent? I don't see a point in this TBH, the 142 may as well continue to Brent Cross and provide a useful night link to Watford from there and along the A5. Overbussing a relatively small section shouldn't be an issue if you look at the bigger picture of this idea. Surely it depends on the objective? I read your original idea as one of getting a night bus service to Watford which connects with the tube. A shorter N142 does that in a low cost affordable way. What I find quite telling is that the N16 has had no enhancement for many many years which suggests to me that there the demand level is low / static on that particular corridor to Edgware via Cricklewood and Colindale. The N5 has had some improvement over the years but none for at least 6 years. None of this suggests a booming nightlife along the Edgware Road. You disagree with my idea and that's fine. All I would say is that if people want a denser weekend night bus service then it's going to need some "out of the box" thinking that challenges some of TfL's norms if you want convenient links within a constrained budget. How about a Weekend Night W15 service that only runs Leyton Town Hall to Cogan Av Estate so that it doesn't overly duplicate the N26 through Hackney? It would still give the all important link between Leyton and Walthamstow connecting with the night tube and getting people home. Now that might be a good or a stupid idea depending on your viewpoint but there are vast tracts of London that will no doubt demand a weekend night bus link to the night tube but running full routes that match their daytime equivalents may not be the best answer in terms of efficient resource use. It all depends on what the priority / objective is.
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Post by Connor on May 24, 2015 15:41:29 GMT
A bit disappointed that the 422 hasn't been considered for a Fri/Sat night service, otherwise in my part of the world, the TfL proposals look pretty decent. Maybe the because the route already has the 108N, 53N, N1, 472N and 486N cover the important sections of the route? Is there demand for a N422?
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Post by twobellstogo on May 24, 2015 18:17:52 GMT
A bit disappointed that the 422 hasn't been considered for a Fri/Sat night service, otherwise in my part of the world, the TfL proposals look pretty decent. Maybe the because the route already has the 108N, 53N, N1, 472N and 486N cover the important sections of the route? Is there demand for a N422? A lot of locals in northern parts of Bexley think yes, TfL clearly think not. To be honest, I'd rather see an N422 than the N486.
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Post by sid on May 24, 2015 18:29:44 GMT
A bit disappointed that the 422 hasn't been considered for a Fri/Sat night service, otherwise in my part of the world, the TfL proposals look pretty decent. Maybe the because the route already has the 108N, 53N, N1, 472N and 486N cover the important sections of the route? Is there demand for a N422? I think the Fri/Sat night provision for North Greenwich is inadequate but time will tell.
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Post by sid on May 24, 2015 18:31:52 GMT
The 142 should be converted to 24 Hours giving Watford a night service, I'm surprised this was not in the consultation. Passengers would have the Northern and Jubilee Lines to connect them to the 142 and already have several night routes such as the 189/266/N5/N16/N98/N113, so this would be a simple and effective idea. I agree Watford Junction to Edgware, I'm not sure it needs to go to Brent Cross though.
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