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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2015 19:55:09 GMT
Yes there was but the whole thing cropped up due to the whole tramlink issue in Croydon when they were doing changes to all the buses etc. 54 and 353 obviously being cut so tfl. made a new route named 494 from Shirley Monks Orchard to West Croydon pretty much following 367 to Shirley Library then to the 356 stand now, and the bus was rarely busy as other routes were on that corridor which were faster for people in Shirley and more frequent 119, 198, 194 and 367 etc. and followed 289,312 and Tram on that corridor so was really a pointless route as the people form Shirley Road, Shirley Oaks didn't use it as they used their cars and were close to frequent routes anyways. So they discontinued it and replaced it with the 367 we know today and there was complaints as it was more frequent and the people from the Glade would have a slower, less frequent route but in the end it was done without putting an extra buses however this has made the 367 less direct but still having that link and now no complaints, I really don't understand why residents complain as most buses going to these estates are not frequent 367 being every 20mins at peak and is quite slow and the engines are quiet and people won't be poking through to look at your windows. But anyways funnily enough that bit on the 367 is frequently used and probably one of the most busiest part of the route either that or The Glade bit. The 367 is rather circuitous since it replaced the 494 but there is now a direct link from The Glade area to the shops at Addiscombe. A bus service along The Glade was long overdue, some people had a very long walk to their nearest stop True but some parts of The Glade especially the part closer to Elmers End are in walking distance to Arena tram stop and also 289 but the issue with The Glade is not really the distance as it is around a 20-30 minute walk from start to finish but the fact that it is uphill but 367 served The Glade way back before this whole thing I believe when the route first started in 1990 however at times though this is still not good enough as time the route can be infrequent and the best option is to walk But to me the 367 is a bus of two halves Bromley North - Elmers End and Elmers End- West Croydon as when it comes towards the end of The Glade there is one or two people still on as there are other direct options to Elmers End, Beckenham and Bromley whilst the residental people of Shortlands go to Bromley. Whilst 367 is a good example of a residental back street route that had backlash from residents but has since been successful and frequently used.
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Post by Unorm on Jun 18, 2015 19:21:11 GMT
A consultation of 315 will begin on 22nd June and end in 10th August. It will include a frequency increase to every 15 minutes (from every 20 mins). If the consultation goes ahead, 68 could use the stand 315 has vacated. In the meantime Peabody residents complain.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 18, 2015 20:30:35 GMT
A consultation of 315 will begin on 22nd June and end in 10th August. It will include a frequency increase to every 15 minutes (from every 20 mins). If the consultation goes ahead, 68 could use the stand 315 has vacated. In the meantime Peabody residents complain.They clearly have zero idea about how the consultation process works. They will get their chance to respond via the standardised process and to go and make themselves heard on at least 3 occasions (based on the E Mail response). Frankly they ought to be delighted they're getting the opportunity - more than we got in Waltham Forest over the W11 and W15. If the opposition is as overwhelming as they say then they should be able to clearly demonstrate to TfL that there is no need for the bus. You don't get the chance to "beat up" TfL people in public in some sort of public humiliation session. They can't even threaten to vote Val Shawcross out as she isn't standing for the Assembly next year.
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Post by routew15 on Jun 22, 2015 16:26:41 GMT
The 315 Consultation Page has been launched today. Page is very detailed for such a small extension. - quote from the consultation page TfL are considering three options for the stops and terminus in the Peabody Hill estate: It says that buses will stand for about ten minutes before starting the return journey. Drop in sessions are available :Thursday 2 July, 15.00-20.30, at Aspire Wellbeing Centre, 1 Park Hall Road, London SE21 8EH Thursday 9 July, 15.00-18.30, at Peabody Hill Centre, Peabody Hill, London SE21 8LA Check the page for more details.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 22, 2015 18:18:31 GMT
The 315 Consultation Page has been launched today. Page is very detailed for such a small extension. - quote from the consultation page TfL are considering three options for the stops and terminus in the Peabody Hill estate: It says that buses will stand for about ten minutes before starting the return journey. Drop in sessions are available :Thursday 2 July, 15.00-20.30, at Aspire Wellbeing Centre, 1 Park Hall Road, London SE21 8EH Thursday 9 July, 15.00-18.30, at Peabody Hill Centre, Peabody Hill, London SE21 8LA Check the page for more details. Having seen the name, in another post, of the Consultation Manager for this proposal I think I know them if it's the same person. I'm half tempted to go to a drop in session to wind him up but that might be a bit unfair on him given the nature of the apparent opposition. I think we should organise a forum campaign in support of this extension.
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Post by sid on Jun 23, 2015 13:00:08 GMT
The 315 Consultation Page has been launched today. Page is very detailed for such a small extension. - quote from the consultation page TfL are considering three options for the stops and terminus in the Peabody Hill estate: It says that buses will stand for about ten minutes before starting the return journey. Drop in sessions are available :Thursday 2 July, 15.00-20.30, at Aspire Wellbeing Centre, 1 Park Hall Road, London SE21 8EH Thursday 9 July, 15.00-18.30, at Peabody Hill Centre, Peabody Hill, London SE21 8LA Check the page for more details.I'm really not sure about this routing, it misses out both West Norwood and Tulse Hill stations in order to serve West Dulwich station! Wouldn't it be better still serving West Norwood Stn (via Hannen Road) and then turning back on itself and going direct via Tulse Hill?
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Post by sid on Jun 23, 2015 13:04:10 GMT
A consultation of 315 will begin on 22nd June and end in 10th August. It will include a frequency increase to every 15 minutes (from every 20 mins). If the consultation goes ahead, 68 could use the stand 315 has vacated. In the meantime Peabody residents complain.Whether there complaints are justified or not I don't know but 8 buses an hour? Isn't the 315 every 20 minutes?
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Post by snoggle on Jun 23, 2015 13:12:39 GMT
A consultation of 315 will begin on 22nd June and end in 10th August. It will include a frequency increase to every 15 minutes (from every 20 mins). If the consultation goes ahead, 68 could use the stand 315 has vacated. In the meantime Peabody residents complain.Whether there complaints are justified or not I don't know but 8 buses an hour? Isn't the 315 every 20 minutes? The text you quoted refers to the fact that the frequency is proposed to increase to x15 (4 bph).
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Post by sid on Jun 23, 2015 13:26:38 GMT
Whether there complaints are justified or not I don't know but 8 buses an hour? Isn't the 315 every 20 minutes? The text you quoted refers to the fact that the frequency is proposed to increase to x15 (4 bph). Ah yes, although that still isn't the 8bph that they are complaining about. They also say buses will be running from 6am until midnight 24/7 which is a slight contradiction!!
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Post by vjaska on Jun 23, 2015 13:30:37 GMT
The 315 Consultation Page has been launched today. Page is very detailed for such a small extension. - quote from the consultation page TfL are considering three options for the stops and terminus in the Peabody Hill estate: It says that buses will stand for about ten minutes before starting the return journey. Drop in sessions are available :Thursday 2 July, 15.00-20.30, at Aspire Wellbeing Centre, 1 Park Hall Road, London SE21 8EH Thursday 9 July, 15.00-18.30, at Peabody Hill Centre, Peabody Hill, London SE21 8LA Check the page for more details.I'm really not sure about this routing, it misses out both West Norwood and Tulse Hill stations in order to serve West Dulwich station! Wouldn't it be better still serving West Norwood Stn (via Hannen Road) and then turning back on itself and going direct via Tulse Hill? No because the section from the shopping area to the current stand at Cheviot Road is very quiet - just about all passengers get off the 315 opposite B&Q or the Sainsbury's stop further up.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 23, 2015 13:33:08 GMT
A consultation of 315 will begin on 22nd June and end in 10th August. It will include a frequency increase to every 15 minutes (from every 20 mins). If the consultation goes ahead, 68 could use the stand 315 has vacated. In the meantime Peabody residents complain.I agree, I think the 68 should use that stand and thus actually serve Norwood Garage bus stop and St. Julian's Farm Road bus stop.
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Post by sid on Jun 23, 2015 13:37:32 GMT
I'm really not sure about this routing, it misses out both West Norwood and Tulse Hill stations in order to serve West Dulwich station! Wouldn't it be better still serving West Norwood Stn (via Hannen Road) and then turning back on itself and going direct via Tulse Hill? No because the section from the shopping area to the current stand at Cheviot Road is very quiet - just about all passengers get off the 315 opposite B&Q or the Sainsbury's stop further up. But I still don't see the logic in it going via West Dulwich rather than Tulse Hill
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Post by snoggle on Jun 23, 2015 13:46:05 GMT
The text you quoted refers to the fact that the frequency is proposed to increase to x15 (4 bph). Ah yes, although that still isn't the 8bph that they are complaining about. They also say buses will be running from 6am until midnight 24/7 which is a slight contradiction!! It'd be 8 bph if you took the two way flow which is what they've done. Clearly that only applies to a short section of road given much of the route near the Peabody Estate is one way or on a loop. Still you don't concede these trifling details if you are trying to oppose something. You make it as bad as possible. Anyway it seems the proposal to increase the frequency has been dropped as it's not in the consultation so it will be 6 bph daytime and 4 bph evenings and Sundays. Obviously the hours of operation have also been stretched somewhat to give a worst case but it's broadly 6/7am until midnight daily (Sunday starts later).
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Post by vjaska on Jun 23, 2015 17:35:14 GMT
No because the section from the shopping area to the current stand at Cheviot Road is very quiet - just about all passengers get off the 315 opposite B&Q or the Sainsbury's stop further up. But I still don't see the logic in it going via West Dulwich rather than Tulse Hill Because if it went via Tulse Hill, people would have a longer walk to reach the shops, West Norwood Cemetery & West Norwood Library. The link to West Dulwich Station I presume is to make it easier to reach West Norwood.
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Post by sid on Jun 23, 2015 19:56:06 GMT
But I still don't see the logic in it going via West Dulwich rather than Tulse Hill Because if it went via Tulse Hill, people would have a longer walk to reach the shops, West Norwood Cemetery & West Norwood Library. The link to West Dulwich Station I presume is to make it easier to reach West Norwood. Just to clarify I am suggesting that it still turns right out of York Hill but turns right into Hannen Road and then goes via Tulse Hill which would seem a far more logical route to me
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