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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 11, 2015 8:29:04 GMT
The routes I know best in this corner are probably the Abellio Surrey routes, and I've said here before that some of these would fit into the TfL network well. High up that list would be 514, the northern half of 515 (probably Kingston - Cobham Waitrose : easy to terminate a route there, and it reduces both the amount of routes terminating at Esher and the amount of broken journeys : the Surrey 515 should probably be curtailed at Hampton Court, the 515A routing) and, as rgd976 mentions above, a direct '218' Kingston-Esher via the Portsmouth Road.
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Post by sid on Jun 11, 2015 14:46:35 GMT
The New Addington - Chessington hasn't really got any demand and as you said it is covered by the 166 which is busy but I dont think it's so busy to have another route backing it but nonetheless good idea and I think that a direct route from Purley to Banstead is needed through and if I was to do something across that corridor I would increase the 166 so it is Monday -Sunday on all bits (Epsom - Croydon) and just have it at a normally frequency at either 15 or 20 or if to do a route covering N. Addington to West London maybe either Woodmansterene Lane or Little Woodmansterne Lane (A2022) making it more direct than the 166 and speaking of trunk routes Kingston,Sutton and Croydon a night route is needed in this corridor either N213 comes back or N726 and that replaces the 285 night service or what ever. And maybe either an increase in frequency on the X26 as not only a shuttle route to Heathrow Airport from South West London but also the only route linking Kingston and Croydon and the fact it's limited stop makes it appealing or a route duplicating that corridor however it will then duplicate the 407. Kingston in my opinion has good trunk routes but the further you go down south the worse it gets and a route down Portsmouth Road maybe tfl can do something with Abellio Surrey so when in tfl boundaries passengers can use Oyster Cards. There must be some demand for something from New Addington to Purley, possibly then to Sutton and beyond? Maybe even a candidate for an orbital express route? |
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Post by sid on Jun 11, 2015 14:49:25 GMT
One of many things I've always liked about south west London buses are the various prototypes, demonstrators, history status and unique London specs with vehicles throughout the years: * L1-3 from the 80s * H1-3 from the 80s * M1084-1105 with Cummin engines (M1104 initially having a wrap around ad between decks for the L10 unit...as well as being supped up with extra power) * M1441/2 being the first mark2 London Metrobuses with Gardner and Cummin engines respectively * Connex's TA1-20/22-38 with uprated euro2 engines, baring in mind London United had TA202 with the same engine specs * Connex's TA39-128/129 with uprated euro3 engines...also being I believe the first batch of London buses in service with the new reg format that starts from 51 plate * short lived Capital logistic with their low floor DB250 chassied Optare Spectras with higher rated engines...though I never really noticed the power until some later went to the 13 * E1-14 I believe being the first euro4 engine Enviro400s in UK service * 8501-6 being the first E200s in London service * WDL1, the only DB300 in Go Ahead London, baring in mind it wasn't always used on south west London routes such as the 40 and 68 * DB250 chassied Geminis, which are sadly diminishing in the SW and slightly growing north of the river. * Retrofitted euro4 engine B7TLs which dominate SW London ...and loads more that I've missed out. South West London also had the pleasure (yet sad event) of having the last main Routemaster route in London, with the 159 bus finishing in Streatham. Also, I'm not 100% sure on this, but in the closing scene of On the Buses series (the series without Arthur) I believe there's a scene where the bus is approaching the Rose Hill roundabout. Sticking to tv there was one episode of The Bill where the police were inside Merton Bus Garage....probably then called Sun Hill bus garage. lol SW London was also the last to have in regular service the B20 DMS as well as this part of London having Q providing float for the night bus network....which I believe at one time covered any night route in London (nowadays confined to GAL routes). And VE1-3 on the 85 |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 11, 2015 16:54:25 GMT
The New Addington - Chessington hasn't really got any demand and as you said it is covered by the 166 which is busy but I dont think it's so busy to have another route backing it but nonetheless good idea and I think that a direct route from Purley to Banstead is needed through and if I was to do something across that corridor I would increase the 166 so it is Monday -Sunday on all bits (Epsom - Croydon) and just have it at a normally frequency at either 15 or 20 or if to do a route covering N. Addington to West London maybe either Woodmansterene Lane or Little Woodmansterne Lane (A2022) making it more direct than the 166 and speaking of trunk routes Kingston,Sutton and Croydon a night route is needed in this corridor either N213 comes back or N726 and that replaces the 285 night service or what ever. And maybe either an increase in frequency on the X26 as not only a shuttle route to Heathrow Airport from South West London but also the only route linking Kingston and Croydon and the fact it's limited stop makes it appealing or a route duplicating that corridor however it will then duplicate the 407. Kingston in my opinion has good trunk routes but the further you go down south the worse it gets and a route down Portsmouth Road maybe tfl can do something with Abellio Surrey so when in tfl boundaries passengers can use Oyster Cards. There must be some demand for something from New Addington to Purley, possibly then to Sutton and beyond? Maybe even a candidate for an orbital express route? Yes there is but the issue is that the 359 is hopefully being extended to Purley and this should be hopefully done anytime soon, but if anyroute is needed to go to Sutton it will be the 359, so from Purley it will go through Foxley Lane, then Little Woodcote Lane, Woodmansterne Lane then Woodmansterne Road after this it will go through the backstreets of Carshalton Beeches/Belmont however the issue with this is that I'm not sure if these roads are suitables for buses and ofcoure residents, then up to Sutton however if needed it can be re routed through Wallington from Foxley Lane, up Woodcate Road, Stanley Park Road then Boundary Road and Telegraph Track but again I'm not sure about space, the issue with this route however though is I'm not sure if route 359 can handle the pressure of this route as some parts may be reguarly roads especially School times or shopping hours. |
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Post by sid on Jun 12, 2015 21:27:48 GMT
There must be some demand for something from New Addington to Purley, possibly then to Sutton and beyond? Maybe even a candidate for an orbital express route? Yes there is but the issue is that the 359 is hopefully being extended to Purley and this should be hopefully done anytime soon, but if anyroute is needed to go to Sutton it will be the 359, so from Purley it will go through Foxley Lane, then Little Woodcote Lane, Woodmansterne Lane then Woodmansterne Road after this it will go through the backstreets of Carshalton Beeches/Belmont however the issue with this is that I'm not sure if these roads are suitables for buses and ofcoure residents, then up to Sutton however if needed it can be re routed through Wallington from Foxley Lane, up Woodcate Road, Stanley Park Road then Boundary Road and Telegraph Track but again I'm not sure about space, the issue with this route however though is I'm not sure if route 359 can handle the pressure of this route as some parts may be reguarly roads especially School times or shopping hours. I had almost forgotten about the 359 proposal and yes I think the route you mentioned to Sutton should be suitable for buses |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 18:40:26 GMT
Richmond route plan
R68 withdrawn between Richmond Station and Kew Retail Park. Diverted via Church Road, Frairs Stile Rd, Richmond Hill, to terminate at Star & Garter roundabout for Richmond Park. This route would then provide links to all three Royal Parks in the Richmond borough.
R70 replaces R68 to Kew Retail Park.
633 New school route . Barnes Pond to Teddington Schools via 209 to Barnes Red Lion, via 33 to Strawberry Hill, via R68 to Ferry Lane , then Broom Rd to Teddington Schools. Double deck, 2 trips each direction. ( am peak trips from Teddington can start at Ferry Lane)
637 New school route. Isleworth Busch Corner - Chiswick Edensor Rd via London Road, Isleworth War Memorial then via H37 to Manor Circus and 190 to Chiswick terminating at E3 stand. 4 trips each direction double deck
391 Extended from Richmond via Richmond Bridge, Richmond Road, Arragon Road, London Road ( Twickenham Station) , Whitton Rd, then loop via Chertsey Rd, Langhorn Drive, Harlequins Stoop Stadium ( stand Also serving Richmond College ) and return via Craneford Way and Whitton Road back to Twickenham Station. Rugby days would have to curtail at Twickenham Albany, consideration to a non standard timetable allowing college day coverage to Richmond College / Rugby day access to The Stoop. Other times could still run on the extension but at reduced frequencies.
419 Extended from Richmond via the 65 to Ham and terminate at Ham Dukes Avenue. Provides a cross borough link without changing buses and a quirky Ham - Hammersmith run following the River Thames ( except Brentford)
H22 Extended to Kew Green. Cross borough link to Kew Gardens.
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Post by Connor on Jun 22, 2015 18:45:19 GMT
637 New school route. Isleworth Busch Corner - Chiswick Edensor Rd via London Road, Isleworth War Memorial then via H37 to Manor Circus and 190 to Chiswick terminating at E3 stand. 4 trips each direction double deck There is already a 637 school route. Also not too keen on having a school route that runs in both directions, unless you were thinking of a 603-type route. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2015 20:49:29 GMT
637 New school route. Isleworth Busch Corner - Chiswick Edensor Rd via London Road, Isleworth War Memorial then via H37 to Manor Circus and 190 to Chiswick terminating at E3 stand. 4 trips each direction double deck There is already a 637 school route. Also not too keen on having a school route that runs in both directions, unless you were thinking of a 603-type route. Both directions because they would serve schools en route and at both ends. No need to run them school holidays. |
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Post by ServerKing on Jun 23, 2015 6:48:33 GMT
Living in the 'boundary' of NW and SW London, means that I have experience of bus travel both areas. There are many short routes and connections are generally good but there's a lack of long distance serivces. There are some long trunk routes (e.g. the remnants of the 37 between Putney and Peckham and the 57 between Streatham and Kingston) but many routes are round the corner services such as the K1 and K5. The K5 is interesting case as its the only route to serve Morden from Kingston, a route possible by running via Martin Way, Beverley Way, Burlington Road, Kingston Road and London Road, which would be a reasonable distance and could run every 12 minutes, yet the K5 wiggles through the residential streets in New Malden and Motspur Park. SW London does have the issue of buses running between two points, but via a long winded route. A case in point is the 493, which goes via a very twisty turny route to Tooting. A more direct Richmond-Wandsworth-Tooting route could be useful, running via 337 to Wandsworth and on to Tooting via the 44, numbered 437. A few round-the-corner links could be added to some routes for added connections, such as the 33 to Hampton, Nurserlyands running in an opposite loop to the R70, 131 to Balham, 152 and 200 to Kingston and 267 to Hampton Court. Some routes are too inferquent for their patronage, such as the 216 which often ends up helping the hopelessly unreliable 111 when they turn at Hampton Court/Hampton Wick. The worst offender by a country mile is the 481, a route which runs on its own for much of its length yet runs hourly, Monday to Saturday and has its last journey at around 8pm. The frequency should be quadrupled at least to every 15 minutes, a Sunday service to be added (every 30 minutes) and gain a permenant allocation of long SDs. The PVR would be a reasonable 8-10 so it wouldn't be too much I'd say the operations are more varied in this part of London as opposed to the north west, with Abellio competing with London United and to a certain degree Metroline in the west and with Go-Ahead, Quality Line and Arriva to the east of the area there's a wide range of operators. That said, the Putney area can be compared to the Ealing area in terms of 'dominance' for Go-Ahead with six garages serving the immediate area (A, AF, AL, PL, PM and SW) and with RATP in Kingston with five garages (AV, EB, FW, HH and TV) serving that area. Yh the 481 is so rare - running once an hour explains why I've not seen it so often...  Increase the PVR on the 267 and 65 would be good as well. Metroline's dominance of West London needs to be broken up a little - hopefully TGM can get some more work soon  |
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Post by l1group on Jun 23, 2015 7:51:37 GMT
Some routes are too inferquent for their patronage, such as the 216 which often ends up helping the hopelessly unreliable 111 when they turn at Hampton Court/Hampton Wick. The worst offender by a country mile is the 481, a route which runs on its own for much of its length yet runs hourly, Monday to Saturday and has its last journey at around 8pm. The frequency should be quadrupled at least to every 15 minutes, a Sunday service to be added (every 30 minutes) and gain a permenant allocation of long SDs. The PVR would be a reasonable 8-10 so it wouldn't be too much I'd say the operations are more varied in this part of London as opposed to the north west, with Abellio competing with London United and to a certain degree Metroline in the west and with Go-Ahead, Quality Line and Arriva to the east of the area there's a wide range of operators. That said, the Putney area can be compared to the Ealing area in terms of 'dominance' for Go-Ahead with six garages serving the immediate area (A, AF, AL, PL, PM and SW) and with RATP in Kingston with five garages (AV, EB, FW, HH and TV) serving that area. Yh the 481 is so rare - running once an hour explains why I've not seen it so often... Increase the PVR on the 267 and 65 would be good as well. Metroline's dominance of West London needs to be broken up a little - hopefully TGM can get some more work soon Remove "a little"  - I've not exactly experienced good stuff there. 65 needs a tad of support. Oh, and renumber 65(N) to N65 to differentiate with the Chessington extension. I'd also extend the N22 to Kingston to re-make it really useful past Richmond! (what is there for night stuff at Fulwell, apart from the 281N?), which also relieves the N87. It does defeat most of the main reason why 281N exists though. 111 seem to have to get extra buses from AV (usually when non-heavy vibrators get on the route (TA/TLA/ADE)) which help a tad, but it may need a rescheduling change? I wouldn't chop or change the route to be honest, no matter how much I'd want a more frequent bus route to Terminal 5 from Central! 216 I assume is as frequent as it is due to cross-border and TfL being, erm... Yeah... Doing nothing. Richmond route plan R68 withdrawn between Richmond Station and Kew Retail Park. Diverted via Church Road, Frairs Stile Rd, Richmond Hill, to terminate at Star & Garter roundabout for Richmond Park. This route would then provide links to all three Royal Parks in the Richmond borough. R70 replaces R68 to Kew Retail Park. 633 New school route . Barnes Pond to Teddington Schools via 209 to Barnes Red Lion, via 33 to Strawberry Hill, via R68 to Ferry Lane , then Broom Rd to Teddington Schools. Double deck, 2 trips each direction. ( am peak trips from Teddington can start at Ferry Lane) 637 New school route. Isleworth Busch Corner - Chiswick Edensor Rd via London Road, Isleworth War Memorial then via H37 to Manor Circus and 190 to Chiswick terminating at E3 stand. 4 trips each direction double deck 391 Extended from Richmond via Richmond Bridge, Richmond Road, Arragon Road, London Road ( Twickenham Station) , Whitton Rd, then loop via Chertsey Rd, Langhorn Drive, Harlequins Stoop Stadium ( stand Also serving Richmond College ) and return via Craneford Way and Whitton Road back to Twickenham Station. Rugby days would have to curtail at Twickenham Albany, consideration to a non standard timetable allowing college day coverage to Richmond College / Rugby day access to The Stoop. Other times could still run on the extension but at reduced frequencies. 419 Extended from Richmond via the 65 to Ham and terminate at Ham Dukes Avenue. Provides a cross borough link without changing buses and a quirky Ham - Hammersmith run following the River Thames ( except Brentford) H22 Extended to Kew Green. Cross borough link to Kew Gardens. R68 - The route just achieves being further than a residential-local area linker, but not enough to be a trunk route per se. There could be a bus to there, but R68 might not be the best choice. R70? Your 633 - I have no idea what the demographics of the schools along that route, but all except the 419/485(/283?/209?) get really busy when you cross Hammersmith Bridge. Your 637 - I actually see no need for that, H37 does need more buses anyway in any case as it gets quite busy at times. 190 is just a bugger because of its low-ish frequency at times. 391 - No, just no. That definitely isn't a route that should be extended too much. It gets easily screwed over already (A4, A205), and is of a decent length already. 190 on the other hand... 419 - Interesting, but I don't know. H22 - Yes. Maybe. Via A205, definitely. Via the 65/391, no. Although could it make it just across the river? Any extension over that small tad of A205 not served could and probably should reach both sides of the river. Kew Bridge may be a traffic pain at times, but it could be worse? I'd had suggested extending the R68 to Chiswick/Power Road (as there is plenty of space there!) or Brentford/Great West Quarter instead? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2015 9:23:08 GMT
Yh the 481 is so rare - running once an hour explains why I've not seen it so often... Increase the PVR on the 267 and 65 would be good as well. Metroline's dominance of West London needs to be broken up a little - hopefully TGM can get some more work soon Remove "a little" - I've not exactly experienced good stuff there. 65 needs a tad of support. Oh, and renumber 65(N) to N65 to differentiate with the Chessington extension. I'd also extend the N22 to Kingston to re-make it really useful past Richmond! (what is there for night stuff at Fulwell, apart from the 281N?), which also relieves the N87. It does defeat most of the main reason why 281N exists though. 111 seem to have to get extra buses from AV (usually when non-heavy vibrators get on the route (TA/TLA/ADE)) which help a tad, but it may need a rescheduling change? I wouldn't chop or change the route to be honest, no matter how much I'd want a more frequent bus route to Terminal 5 from Central! 216 I assume is as frequent as it is due to cross-border and TfL being, erm... Yeah... Doing nothing. Richmond route plan R68 withdrawn between Richmond Station and Kew Retail Park. Diverted via Church Road, Frairs Stile Rd, Richmond Hill, to terminate at Star & Garter roundabout for Richmond Park. This route would then provide links to all three Royal Parks in the Richmond borough. R70 replaces R68 to Kew Retail Park. 633 New school route . Barnes Pond to Teddington Schools via 209 to Barnes Red Lion, via 33 to Strawberry Hill, via R68 to Ferry Lane , then Broom Rd to Teddington Schools. Double deck, 2 trips each direction. ( am peak trips from Teddington can start at Ferry Lane) 637 New school route. Isleworth Busch Corner - Chiswick Edensor Rd via London Road, Isleworth War Memorial then via H37 to Manor Circus and 190 to Chiswick terminating at E3 stand. 4 trips each direction double deck 391 Extended from Richmond via Richmond Bridge, Richmond Road, Arragon Road, London Road ( Twickenham Station) , Whitton Rd, then loop via Chertsey Rd, Langhorn Drive, Harlequins Stoop Stadium ( stand Also serving Richmond College ) and return via Craneford Way and Whitton Road back to Twickenham Station. Rugby days would have to curtail at Twickenham Albany, consideration to a non standard timetable allowing college day coverage to Richmond College / Rugby day access to The Stoop. Other times could still run on the extension but at reduced frequencies. 419 Extended from Richmond via the 65 to Ham and terminate at Ham Dukes Avenue. Provides a cross borough link without changing buses and a quirky Ham - Hammersmith run following the River Thames ( except Brentford) H22 Extended to Kew Green. Cross borough link to Kew Gardens. R68 - The route just achieves being further than a residential-local area linker, but not enough to be a trunk route per se. There could be a bus to there, but R68 might not be the best choice. R70? Your 633 - I have no idea what the demographics of the schools along that route, but all except the 419/485(/283?/209?) get really busy when you cross Hammersmith Bridge. Your 637 - I actually see no need for that, H37 does need more buses anyway in any case as it gets quite busy at times. 190 is just a bugger because of its low-ish frequency at times. 391 - No, just no. That definitely isn't a route that should be extended too much. It gets easily screwed over already (A4, A205), and is of a decent length already. 190 on the other hand... 419 - Interesting, but I don't know. H22 - Yes. Maybe. Via A205, definitely. Via the 65/391, no. Although could it make it just across the river? Any extension over that small tad of A205 not served could and probably should reach both sides of the river. Kew Bridge may be a traffic pain at times, but it could be worse? I'd had suggested extending the R68 to Chiswick/Power Road (as there is plenty of space there!) or Brentford/Great West Quarter instead? Yes the R68 could go to Chiswick. My idea of using Kew Green was to protect it from the worst traffic ( ie Chiswick Roundabout) . The former Sunday extension to Kew Gardens was well received back in the day before TfL became too regimented about standardisation. The problem with using the R70 to link Richmond Hill area with Twickenham is the stand time taken at Homebase is all its gets apart from a two min layover break at Hampton. Any stand space at Richmond Hill would be premium and unlikely to support more than one bus at a time. If not the 391 extension then maybe the 190 , I couldn't really decide which of the two, but given the 391 is currently operated by FW bringing it closer to Fulwell was the reason I chose that one over the 190. 419 was again to improve cross borough links and to assist the 65 and provide new links for Ham residents without changing buses. It may need a frequency increase. 637 , serves several schools, links the large Chiswick schools with more of the borough of Hounslow ( ie Isleworth area ) and also Gumley school is a major headache for the H37 and 267 . As has been pointed out the 637 would have to change numbers. 633 , again just an assistance route for the 33 mainly and to provide direct link to Teddington a school with Richmond and Sheen areas of the borough which do not currently exist, as well as assisting school traffic along the Upper Richmond Road in general. |
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Post by snowman on Jun 23, 2015 11:03:27 GMT
Remove "a little" - I've not exactly experienced good stuff there. 65 needs a tad of support. Oh, and renumber 65(N) to N65 to differentiate with the Chessington extension. I'd also extend the N22 to Kingston to re-make it really useful past Richmond! (what is there for night stuff at Fulwell, apart from the 281N?), which also relieves the N87. It does defeat most of the main reason why 281N exists though. 111 seem to have to get extra buses from AV (usually when non-heavy vibrators get on the route (TA/TLA/ADE)) which help a tad, but it may need a rescheduling change? I wouldn't chop or change the route to be honest, no matter how much I'd want a more frequent bus route to Terminal 5 from Central! 216 I assume is as frequent as it is due to cross-border and TfL being, erm... Yeah... Doing nothing. R68 - The route just achieves being further than a residential-local area linker, but not enough to be a trunk route per se. There could be a bus to there, but R68 might not be the best choice. R70? Your 633 - I have no idea what the demographics of the schools along that route, but all except the 419/485(/283?/209?) get really busy when you cross Hammersmith Bridge. Your 637 - I actually see no need for that, H37 does need more buses anyway in any case as it gets quite busy at times. 190 is just a bugger because of its low-ish frequency at times. 391 - No, just no. That definitely isn't a route that should be extended too much. It gets easily screwed over already (A4, A205), and is of a decent length already. 190 on the other hand... 419 - Interesting, but I don't know. H22 - Yes. Maybe. Via A205, definitely. Via the 65/391, no. Although could it make it just across the river? Any extension over that small tad of A205 not served could and probably should reach both sides of the river. Kew Bridge may be a traffic pain at times, but it could be worse? I'd had suggested extending the R68 to Chiswick/Power Road (as there is plenty of space there!) or Brentford/Great West Quarter instead? Yes the R68 could go to Chiswick. My idea of using Kew Green was to protect it from the worst traffic ( ie Chiswick Roundabout) . The former Sunday extension to Kew Gardens was well received back in the day before TfL became too regimented about standardisation. The problem with using the R70 to link Richmond Hill area with Twickenham is the stand time taken at Homebase is all its gets apart from a two min layover break at Hampton. Any stand space at Richmond Hill would be premium and unlikely to support more than one bus at a time. If not the 391 extension then maybe the 190 , I couldn't really decide which of the two, but given the 391 is currently operated by FW bringing it closer to Fulwell was the reason I chose that one over the 190. 419 was again to improve cross borough links and to assist the 65 and provide new links for Ham residents without changing buses. It may need a frequency increase. 637 , serves several schools, links the large Chiswick schools with more of the borough of Hounslow ( ie Isleworth area ) and also Gumley school is a major headache for the H37 and 267 . As has been pointed out the 637 would have to change numbers. 633 , again just an assistance route for the 33 mainly and to provide direct link to Teddington a school with Richmond and Sheen areas of the borough which do not currently exist, as well as assisting school traffic along the Upper Richmond Road in general. I think you have some interesting ideas there. The R68 proposal could be solved by restoring the Richmond Hill loop (until about 13 years ago 371 buses ran via Friars Style Road and Richmond Hill southbound, only Northbound used Queens Road and Marchmont Road. I do wonder if 371 should be cut back as A316 part seems pointless duplication of other routes, it is the lack of stands in Richmond station area that are the problem. Alternatively reroute the 337 to help the 65, via 65 and 371 route. The Ham Dukes Avenue stand has plenty of space, but might be better if K5 became a Richmond-Kingston hospital service. There used to be a K6 that helped out in Ham. The K6 was replaced by 485 via Roehampton, but that later lost the via Roehampton section and got diverted to Wandsworth. I would split the K5 if it helped. I do wonder if a service via Richmond bridge would be better diverted to Petersham or Ham, at the moment residents of those areas cant get to their council offices in Twickenham without a change involving a very long walk between stops. |
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Post by rmz19 on Jun 23, 2015 12:13:25 GMT
A few ideas I had in mind regarding south west London routes.
The 22 could be extended to Richmond via its night equivalent to open up new links between Central London and Richmond, the N22 could also be extended to Kingston by diverting it away from Fulwell and rerouting it from Twickenham via Strawberry Vale and Kingston Road, providing an alternative to the N87 to Central London.
There is also potential scope for a bit of modification to the routes in the Chessington/Hook area. The N65 should be converted to 24 Hours, its current route via Chessington North and South stations could be replaced by a 24 Hour 71. The 65 would also benefit from an extended 71 alongside it to Richmond to provide support between Kingston and Richmond.
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Post by sid on Jun 23, 2015 20:20:06 GMT
A few ideas I had in mind regarding south west London routes. The 22 could be extended to Richmond via its night equivalent to open up new links between Central London and Richmond, the N22 could also be extended to Kingston by diverting it away from Fulwell and rerouting it from Twickenham via Strawberry Vale and Kingston Road, providing an alternative to the N87 to Central London. There is also potential scope for a bit of modification to the routes in the Chessington/Hook area. The N65 should be converted to 24 Hours, its current route via Chessington North and South stations could be replaced by a 24 Hour 71. The 65 would also benefit from an extended 71 alongside it to Richmond to provide support between Kingston and Richmond. I've always thought the 22 should go at least as far as Barnes and extending the N22 to Kingston via Strawberry Vale would seem a good idea. I think the N65 is ok as it is, I can't see much point in seperating the 65 and 71 into separate routes at night. Wouldn't extending the 71 to Richmond be a bit excessive? I would just increase the 65 frequency. |
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Post by rmz19 on Jun 23, 2015 20:48:25 GMT
A few ideas I had in mind regarding south west London routes. The 22 could be extended to Richmond via its night equivalent to open up new links between Central London and Richmond, the N22 could also be extended to Kingston by diverting it away from Fulwell and rerouting it from Twickenham via Strawberry Vale and Kingston Road, providing an alternative to the N87 to Central London. There is also potential scope for a bit of modification to the routes in the Chessington/Hook area. The N65 should be converted to 24 Hours, its current route via Chessington North and South stations could be replaced by a 24 Hour 71. The 65 would also benefit from an extended 71 alongside it to Richmond to provide support between Kingston and Richmond. I've always thought the 22 should go at least as far as Barnes and extending the N22 to Kingston via Strawberry Vale would seem a good idea. I think the N65 is ok as it is, I can't see much point in seperating the 65 and 71 into separate routes at night. Wouldn't extending the 71 to Richmond be a bit excessive? I would just increase the 65 frequency. Regarding the 65 and 71, during the day the 65 is usually rammed between Richmond and Kingston, hence why I suggested the 71 extension to relieve pressure of the 65. However, you may have a point in a 24 Hour 71 being excessive between Kingston and Richmond during nights. The 24 Hour 71 is just a thought, but the 71 extension to Richmond seems like a legitimate proposition. |
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Increase the PVR on the 267 and 65 would be good as well. Metroline's dominance of West London needs to be broken up a little - hopefully TGM can get some more work soon 
- I've not exactly experienced good stuff there.