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Post by routew15 on Jul 17, 2015 11:54:35 GMT
Consultation has been launched today on the U5 being extended to Hayes ASDA. The route will continue one stop to terminate at Stop F and start at Stop P. There will be no chnage to the frequency of the route. M1199 seems your were observations were correctConsultation page here Consultation closes on Friday 14 August 2015
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Post by snoggle on Jul 17, 2015 12:11:40 GMT
Consultation has been launched today on the U5 being extended to Hayes ASDA. The route will continue one stop to terminate at Stop F and start at Stop P. There will be no chnage to the frequency of the route. M1199 seems your were observations were correctConsultation page here Consultation closes on Friday 14 August 2015 Anyone going to submit a comment saying "the bus stop at ASDA already has U5 on it so why are you bothering to consult because you've already decided to do this?"? I know it's an extension but a consultation for one stop? Really? I support the idea of consultation but this is just getting silly. Surely there needs to be some sort of materiality threshold to avoid wasting time and money?
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Post by vjaska on Jul 17, 2015 12:41:42 GMT
I passed Hayes ASDA last Saturday and I noticed that the stand is on Millington Road yet the last stop is on the main road. Surely, it would be safer if people could alight at the stand rather than have to cross a main road.
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Post by Nathan on Jul 17, 2015 14:49:38 GMT
Consultation has been launched today on the U5 being extended to Hayes ASDA. The route will continue one stop to terminate at Stop F and start at Stop P. There will be no chnage to the frequency of the route. M1199 seems your were observations were correctConsultation page here Consultation closes on Friday 14 August 2015 Anyone going to submit a comment saying "the bus stop at ASDA already has U5 on it so why are you bothering to consult because you've already decided to do this?"? I know it's an extension but a consultation for one stop? Really? I support the idea of consultation but this is just getting silly. Surely there needs to be some sort of materiality threshold to avoid wasting time and money? I was actually going to post that very same question earlier, but decided not to. Reason being is that I believe that the point of the consultation is to consult locals on the changes that are going to happen. This way, TfL can take into consideration the thoughts and views received before going ahead with the proposed plan(s). The only bad thing is that even if the majority of people are against the proposed plans they will still go though with it (as we have seen in the past). But from a subjective standpoint...yeah, I find it a bit dumb how they have pretty much got everything ready for an extension and yet they've put the effort into creating a consultation. 5 guessed for what will happen at the end of this?
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Post by snoggle on Jul 17, 2015 15:50:23 GMT
Anyone going to submit a comment saying "the bus stop at ASDA already has U5 on it so why are you bothering to consult because you've already decided to do this?"? I know it's an extension but a consultation for one stop? Really? I support the idea of consultation but this is just getting silly. Surely there needs to be some sort of materiality threshold to avoid wasting time and money? I was actually going to post that very same question earlier, but decided not to. Reason being is that I believe that the point of the consultation is to consult locals on the changes that are going to happen. This way, TfL can take into consideration the thoughts and views received before going ahead with the proposed plan(s). The only bad thing is that even if the majority of people are against the proposed plans they will still go though with it (as we have seen in the past). But from a subjective standpoint...yeah, I find it a bit dumb how they have pretty much got everything ready for an extension and yet they've put the effort into creating a consultation. 5 guessed for what will happen at the end of this? I agree people should be consulted but let's be honest - how many ordinary people who use the buses will have a clue that there is even a TfL consultation process never mind what it covers? Very few. I know TfL don't like paper notices on buses but putting something on buses on routes that will be affected by a change is surely the best way to ensure awareness. They could even put a message on I-Bus or put posters on bus shelters. Also they should canvas people - for example at Hayes and Uxbridge for the U5 proposal. Changes which are genuinely material should be consulted on but rather earlier in the process otherwise it's just a foregone conclusion. There's little point in a consultation process which appears to take no notice of what people say - New Addington being the latest example of that.
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Post by routew15 on Jul 17, 2015 16:59:19 GMT
I passed Hayes ASDA last Saturday and I noticed that the stand is on Millington Road yet the last stop is on the main road. Surely, it would be safer if people could alight at the stand rather than have to cross a main road. Well let's hope locals crack on to this and mention it in their response
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Post by M1199 on Jul 17, 2015 17:25:15 GMT
I passed Hayes ASDA last Saturday and I noticed that the stand is on Millington Road yet the last stop is on the main road. Surely, it would be safer if people could alight at the stand rather than have to cross a main road. Well let's hope locals crack on to this and mention it in their response I did in my response!
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Post by Nathan on Jul 17, 2015 17:35:47 GMT
I was actually going to post that very same question earlier, but decided not to. Reason being is that I believe that the point of the consultation is to consult locals on the changes that are going to happen. This way, TfL can take into consideration the thoughts and views received before going ahead with the proposed plan(s). The only bad thing is that even if the majority of people are against the proposed plans they will still go though with it (as we have seen in the past). But from a subjective standpoint...yeah, I find it a bit dumb how they have pretty much got everything ready for an extension and yet they've put the effort into creating a consultation. 5 guessed for what will happen at the end of this? I agree people should be consulted but let's be honest - how many ordinary people who use the buses will have a clue that there is even a TfL consultation process never mind what it covers? Very few. I know TfL don't like paper notices on buses but putting something on buses on routes that will be affected by a change is surely the best way to ensure awareness. They could even put a message on I-Bus or put posters on bus shelters. Also they should canvas people - for example at Hayes and Uxbridge for the U5 proposal. Changes which are genuinely material should be consulted on but rather earlier in the process otherwise it's just a foregone conclusion. There's little point in a consultation process which appears to take no notice of what people say - New Addington being the latest example of that. Well lets be honest, TfL are obviously doing all this intentionally. If only a small portion of the general public are aware of changes happening, then there won't be as many people opposing the proposed changes. Thus, TfL can pretty much do what the hell they want! Didn't work so well with the Finchley Road consultation though. They can only go so far.
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 16, 2015 10:54:37 GMT
Consultation has been launched today on the U5 being extended to Hayes ASDA. The route will continue one stop to terminate at Stop F and start at Stop P. There will be no chnage to the frequency of the route. M1199 seems your were observations were correctConsultation page here Consultation closes on Friday 14 August 2015 Anyone going to submit a comment saying "the bus stop at ASDA already has U5 on it so why are you bothering to consult because you've already decided to do this?"? I know it's an extension but a consultation for one stop? Really? I support the idea of consultation but this is just getting silly. Surely there needs to be some sort of materiality threshold to avoid wasting time and money? I thought that was a mistake at first - the U4 also deserves a red X on the flag as the diversion towards Uxbridge seems to be long term.
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Post by COBO on Aug 16, 2015 13:40:27 GMT
I wonder if new Asda in Hayes is the reason why double decks are being tested on the U5?
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 16, 2015 14:42:47 GMT
I don't think they're being tested, think it's more to do with whatever is available when it's time for buses to go out. Only the 331 is restricted to single deckers so DDs will deputise on the other routes if necessary.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 16, 2015 14:44:10 GMT
I don't think they're being tested, think it's more to do with whatever is available when it's time for buses to go out. Only the 331 is restricted to single deckers so DDs will deputise on the other routes if necessary. Do you know why that route is restricted - the bridge at Denham is high enough so low trees perhaps?
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Post by M1199 on Aug 16, 2015 16:54:34 GMT
I don't think they're being tested, think it's more to do with whatever is available when it's time for buses to go out. Only the 331 is restricted to single deckers so DDs will deputise on the other routes if necessary. Do you know why that route is restricted - the bridge at Denham is high enough so low trees perhaps? I would imagine it was because of that, or because of some snooty Northwood residents along the road that the name forgets me me atm! The one that is Buses only and is no through road. Saying that, there used to be a DD school journey in days gone past, usually a Volvo Olympian off the 607. The euro_2 TNL's were also blinded for the 331. Dunno about the newer sets now though, The Urbanite could answer that one though!
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Post by COBO on Aug 16, 2015 17:18:11 GMT
I don't think they're being tested, think it's more to do with whatever is available when it's time for buses to go out. Only the 331 is restricted to single deckers so DDs will deputise on the other routes if necessary. Is there reason why the TEs are the only double deckers allowed on the U5?
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Post by 6HP502C on Aug 16, 2015 19:08:29 GMT
I don't think they're being tested, think it's more to do with whatever is available when it's time for buses to go out. Only the 331 is restricted to single deckers so DDs will deputise on the other routes if necessary. Do you know why that route is restricted - the bridge at Denham is high enough so low trees perhaps? I can field that one as I went on a 331 route test (to clear the longer buses that were subsequently ordered). It's down to low trees along White Hill - a double decker officially failed a route test some years back.
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