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Post by snoggle on Mar 10, 2016 13:52:10 GMT
I'm slightly amused that TfL get criticized for consultations that people think are a fait-accompli, then they get slaughtered for taking account of responses to another! "I always know best" "Everyone else is stupid" "What do they know about anything?" We're all guilty of one or all (or variants thereof) of the above. For me there were two interesting points raised by TfL. Firstly that ridership seems to have taken a plunge on the route although TfL expect to see a rebound. Secondly that there are no real commitments from them about service levels other than they will be kept under review. Even more surprising, given what has been done to the service, is that St Pauls is recognised as a "demand hot spot" and yet it has suffered a very large reduction in service as TfL have had to repeatedly adjust the service to try to cope with congestion.
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Post by DT 11 on Mar 10, 2016 14:00:22 GMT
WARNING The following contains items that may be deemed a rant to readers. Stunned. Utterly stunned. There is no way any of the 1000 people who were negative about the proposal travel THROUGH the roundabout on the 25. This should have been a no brainer. Some key stats: 252 heard about the consultation through email. These are likely to be non-locals who probably travel through on the 25. 234 were positive. I think most of these were from those emailed, and travel through. 388 heard about the consultation through 'other sources' - i.e. The Blog from Diamond Geezer Some other nonsense: At least have some good reasons. Oh, some people have to walk a bit. Well, it makes no difference, where the bus stop is when your bus is moving 1 mph. 37- people said that in rush hour the buses are empty. I mean come on, their brains are empty IMO. Tower Hamlets- 'Does not match the Visions of the removal of the flyover in the future'. Are Tower Hamlets fearing a day when the flyover over is removed the 25 will be broken up into 2 services Ilford - Bow, Bow -Oxford Circus. I have news for you TH, the 25 will probably go back using the normal routing. Newham - Do they even have anyone working there? Do they ever respond to anything. MPs- Where are these 'MPs' when bus stops are moved/closed/joined OR when bus lanes are being removed. Oh, by the way, buses are similar to taxi's, but are bigger and red. Finally I completely blame TfL for the way this has ended. A) Poor explanation of the benefits B) Not mitigating the bus stop by moving it further down, especially when they did the seg-cy lane works on Stratford High Street. Have to say reading consultations the best bit is reading all the crap suggestions. I just read most of it and some comments do not even fit the subject. "More Affordable than the tube", skipping Bow Flyover Stops has nothing to do with the tube! Really I think this in nonsense all routes should go over Bow Flyover apart from the 425 just leave at least 1 bus serving it. Even the 108 towards Lewisham should go over the Flyover.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 10, 2016 15:14:27 GMT
I'm slightly amused that TfL get criticized for consultations that people think are a fait-accompli, then they get slaughtered for taking account of responses to another! Because it seems when they have consultation on something that's not particularly thought through, it's 'all systems go' regardless of the views of those who reply to it but when something sensible comes up like the 25 using the flyover to save some much needed running time, then the 'oh we are now going to listen to your voices' syndrome takes over - I've probably slightly exaggerated it but you see where I'm coming from - there is little consistency.
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Post by rmz19 on Mar 10, 2016 16:44:05 GMT
I'm slightly amused that TfL get criticized for consultations that people think are a fait-accompli, then they get slaughtered for taking account of responses to another! Because it seems when they have consultation on something that's not particularly thought through, it's 'all systems go' regardless of the views of those who reply to it but when something sensible comes up like the 25 using the flyover to save some much needed running time, then the 'oh we are now going to listen to your voices' syndrome takes over - I've probably slightly exaggerated it but you see where I'm coming from - there is little consistency. I think you hit the nail on the head, that's precisely what I was thinking too. The ironic nature of the way TFL handle their consultations is ridiculous.
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Post by sid on Mar 10, 2016 18:20:39 GMT
I'm slightly amused that TfL get criticized for consultations that people think are a fait-accompli, then they get slaughtered for taking account of responses to another! People seem to like consultations that work in their favor but are less than impressed when they don't If the Bow flyover is being demolished soon isn't this all a bit irrelevant anyway?
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Post by vjaska on Mar 10, 2016 18:36:13 GMT
I'm slightly amused that TfL get criticized for consultations that people think are a fait-accompli, then they get slaughtered for taking account of responses to another! People seem to like consultations that work in their favor but are less than impressed when they don't If the Bow flyover is being demolished soon isn't this all a bit irrelevant anyway? It's about the inconsistency of TfL where some consultations they steamroller on regardless of people's opinions and then we have had two recently where they've decided to follow the majority. Besides, your not seriously going to tell me that you would jump up in the air if a consultation that affected you negatively went against your view? Of course people aren't happy when a consultation goes against them - it's natural after all to think that way.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 10, 2016 18:55:39 GMT
People seem to like consultations that work in their favor but are less than impressed when they don't If the Bow flyover is being demolished soon isn't this all a bit irrelevant anyway? It's about the inconsistency of TfL where some consultations they steamroller on regardless of people's opinions and then we have had two recently where they've decided to follow the majority. Besides, your not seriously going to tell me that you would jump up in the air if a consultation that affected you negatively went against your view? Of course people aren't happy when a consultation goes against them - it's natural after all to think that way. Imagine how some of us feel when we were promised by the Buses MD that we would be consulted and then TfL didn't bother to consult at all and then took away our bus service anyway. Yes that would be [ bleep bleep bleepin' ] angry.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 20:00:57 GMT
WARNING The following contains items that may be deemed a rant to readers. Stunned. Utterly stunned. There is no way any of the 1000 people who were negative about the proposal travel THROUGH the roundabout on the 25. This should have been a no brainer. Some key stats: 252 heard about the consultation through email. These are likely to be non-locals who probably travel through on the 25. 234 were positive. I think most of these were from those emailed, and travel through. 388 heard about the consultation through 'other sources' - i.e. The Blog from Diamond Geezer Some other nonsense: At least have some good reasons. Oh, some people have to walk a bit. Well, it makes no difference, where the bus stop is when your bus is moving 1 mph. 37- people said that in rush hour the buses are empty. I mean come on, their brains are empty IMO. Tower Hamlets- 'Does not match the Visions of the removal of the flyover in the future'. Are Tower Hamlets fearing a day when the flyover over is removed the 25 will be broken up into 2 services Ilford - Bow, Bow -Oxford Circus. I have news for you TH, the 25 will probably go back using the normal routing. Newham - Do they even have anyone working there? Do they ever respond to anything. MPs- Where are these 'MPs' when bus stops are moved/closed/joined OR when bus lanes are being removed. Oh, by the way, buses are similar to taxi's, but are bigger and red. Finally I completely blame TfL for the way this has ended. A) Poor explanation of the benefits B) Not mitigating the bus stop by moving it further down, especially when they did the seg-cy lane works on Stratford High Street. Well don't for this! This was one of the best consultations ever, and it didn't go-ahead. When I use a bus through Bow, whatever route I'm on, I always hope that it uses the Flyover! One thing with Newham is that they don't really care a lot about the outskirts of the borough, which is a pity to the Western and Northern suburbs of Stratford. I wonder if TFL will receive something that will make them change their mind?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Mar 10, 2016 20:01:13 GMT
WARNING The following contains items that may be deemed a rant to readers. Stunned. Utterly stunned. There is no way any of the 1000 people who were negative about the proposal travel THROUGH the roundabout on the 25. This should have been a no brainer. Some key stats: 252 heard about the consultation through email. These are likely to be non-locals who probably travel through on the 25. 234 were positive. I think most of these were from those emailed, and travel through. 388 heard about the consultation through 'other sources' - i.e. The Blog from Diamond Geezer Some other nonsense: At least have some good reasons. Oh, some people have to walk a bit. Well, it makes no difference, where the bus stop is when your bus is moving 1 mph. 37- people said that in rush hour the buses are empty. I mean come on, their brains are empty IMO. Tower Hamlets- 'Does not match the Visions of the removal of the flyover in the future'. Are Tower Hamlets fearing a day when the flyover over is removed the 25 will be broken up into 2 services Ilford - Bow, Bow -Oxford Circus. I have news for you TH, the 25 will probably go back using the normal routing. Newham - Do they even have anyone working there? Do they ever respond to anything. MPs- Where are these 'MPs' when bus stops are moved/closed/joined OR when bus lanes are being removed. Oh, by the way, buses are similar to taxi's, but are bigger and red. Finally I completely blame TfL for the way this has ended. A) Poor explanation of the benefits B) Not mitigating the bus stop by moving it further down, especially when they did the seg-cy lane works on Stratford High Street. LOL, love this post, especially the bit about Newham even have anyone working for the council - I completely agree with the above. Tower Hamlets and Newham, two of the shittiest councils in London. Tower Hamlets is no.1 on my hate list. Corrupt and incompetent; it is a depressing area.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 20:29:13 GMT
LOL, love this post, especially the bit about Newham even have anyone working for the council - I completely agree with the above. Tower Hamlets and Newham, two of the sh*ttiest councils in London. Tower Hamlets is no.1 on my hate list. Corrupt and incompetent; it is a depressing area. Live in Newham worked since 16 now 37 never been unemployed or signed on - So there is at least one person working O and was born in Tower Hamlets LOL
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