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Post by snoggle on Dec 5, 2016 19:41:49 GMT
I wonder if the launch night for the Piccadilly Line night service will actually start on 16th December 2016. I ask because most of the fleet for the Piccadilly Line are currently not in service. TfL have apparently said they won't delay the start but I suspect they're hedging their bets on a recovery in fleet performance. I suspect that several people have it as a performance target that the planned Night Tube roll out completes on 16 Dec so they won't want to jeopardise their performance bonus!!! Cynical I know but that's how this stuff works. I'd not be shocked to see it launch and then the daytime service to actually get worse in consequence. Worth considering that the Picc is covering for part of the District over the Christmas break so that could get very embarrassing indeed if people in West London can't travel. Interesting that politicians aren't yet hollering about the Picc Line travails given how some of them scream about Southern's woes!!
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Post by COBO on Dec 5, 2016 23:05:30 GMT
I wonder if the launch night for the Piccadilly Line night service will actually start on 16th December 2016. I ask because most of the fleet for the Piccadilly Line are currently not in service. TfL have apparently said they won't delay the start but I suspect they're hedging their bets on a recovery in fleet performance. I suspect that several people have it as a performance target that the planned Night Tube roll out completes on 16 Dec so they won't want to jeopardise their performance bonus!!! Cynical I know but that's how this stuff works. I'd not be shocked to see it launch and then the daytime service to actually get worse in consequence. Worth considering that the Picc is covering for part of the District over the Christmas break so that could get very embarrassing indeed if people in West London can't travel. Interesting that politicians aren't yet hollering about the Picc Line travails given how some of them scream about Southern's woes!! It is going to be an interesting Christmas for London Underground and the West London commuters.
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Post by COBO on Dec 14, 2016 12:11:07 GMT
Just 2 days or should I say 2 nights until the Piccadilly Lines night tube launch night and the Piccadilly Line is still in a bad state. I still don't think that it will be launched on time. I wonder why the Piccadilly Line hasn't been in the news as much as the strike on Southern Railway.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 14, 2016 12:25:44 GMT
Just 2 days or should I say 2 nights until the Piccadilly Lines night tube launch night and the Piccadilly Line is still in a bad state. I still don't think that it will be launched on time. I wonder why the Piccadilly Line hasn't been in the news as much as the strike on Southern Railway. 1) It has not been going on so long 2) It is run the TfL ... so the Labour Mayor keeps quiet as do the unions
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Post by snoggle on Dec 14, 2016 14:47:48 GMT
Just 2 days or should I say 2 nights until the Piccadilly Lines night tube launch night and the Piccadilly Line is still in a bad state. I still don't think that it will be launched on time. I wonder why the Piccadilly Line hasn't been in the news as much as the strike on Southern Railway. It is launching this Friday night. The Mayor has tweeted to say so. I think you might find the Picc Line is in the (local) news tonight after the Mayor's "interesting" [1] explanation of the problem at MQTs today. [1] basically "leaves fell off the trees and this was a surprise". You can imagine the ridicule there has been about that. If the Picc Line service does not step up pretty soon then I expect the delays and problems in getting to / from Heathrow Airport will attract attention as the holiday rush builds up. I expect TfL are painfully aware of this which is possibly why it is not saying very much or making any outrageous promises. All we need is a spot of fog to descend over Heathrow for a couple of days that delays flights and "travel woes" will soon be on the news. EDIT - one other factor I'd not appreciated until I read another forum is that the Picc is going to be sole rail link to Heathrow as well as subbing for the western end of the District between Christmas and New Year due to extensive engineering works on the GWML and at Earls Ct affecting the District Line. If there are still large numbers of trains defective on the Picc it is going to be completely hellish for people. To be fair the Southern issues are on a larger, longer term scale and involve Govt and questions to the Govt. It will naturally attract more attention.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 23:48:40 GMT
Just 2 days or should I say 2 nights until the Piccadilly Lines night tube launch night and the Piccadilly Line is still in a bad state. I still don't think that it will be launched on time. I wonder why the Piccadilly Line hasn't been in the news as much as the strike on Southern Railway. It is launching this Friday night. The Mayor has tweeted to say so. I think you might find the Picc Line is in the (local) news tonight after the Mayor's "interesting" [1] explanation of the problem at MQTs today. [1] basically "leaves fell off the trees and this was a surprise". You can imagine the ridicule there has been about that. If the Picc Line service does not step up pretty soon then I expect the delays and problems in getting to / from Heathrow Airport will attract attention as the holiday rush builds up. I expect TfL are painfully aware of this which is possibly why it is not saying very much or making any outrageous promises. All we need is a spot of fog to descend over Heathrow for a couple of days that delays flights and "travel woes" will soon be on the news. EDIT - one other factor I'd not appreciated until I read another forum is that the Picc is going to be sole rail link to Heathrow as well as subbing for the western end of the District between Christmas and New Year due to extensive engineering works on the GWML and at Earls Ct affecting the District Line. If there are still large numbers of trains defective on the Picc it is going to be completely hellish for people. To be fair the Southern issues are on a larger, longer term scale and involve Govt and questions to the Govt. It will naturally attract more attention. Bring back the Airbus routes !!! Come on United Motorcoaches, step up !
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Post by l1group on Dec 18, 2016 7:38:04 GMT
It is launching this Friday night. The Mayor has tweeted to say so. I think you might find the Picc Line is in the (local) news tonight after the Mayor's "interesting" [1] explanation of the problem at MQTs today. [1] basically "leaves fell off the trees and this was a surprise". You can imagine the ridicule there has been about that. If the Picc Line service does not step up pretty soon then I expect the delays and problems in getting to / from Heathrow Airport will attract attention as the holiday rush builds up. I expect TfL are painfully aware of this which is possibly why it is not saying very much or making any outrageous promises. All we need is a spot of fog to descend over Heathrow for a couple of days that delays flights and "travel woes" will soon be on the news. EDIT - one other factor I'd not appreciated until I read another forum is that the Picc is going to be sole rail link to Heathrow as well as subbing for the western end of the District between Christmas and New Year due to extensive engineering works on the GWML and at Earls Ct affecting the District Line. If there are still large numbers of trains defective on the Picc it is going to be completely hellish for people. Piccadilly line night tube actually ran on the first night pretty well, to be honest, considering the extent of the service before. It ran every 7-15 minutes, which isn't the best, but it is better than what has been noted before! So, finally, all the initial stage night tubes are out. The affected night routes parallel did carry a tad less. Also, the SWT between Feltham and Waterloo is still running, so I don't know why 285>Feltham is advocated as much as T123/T4>Feltham was. Although I do understand it wasn't a direct rail link per se, it can be quicker than the Piccadilly line.
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Post by snowman on Jul 2, 2018 9:29:37 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 2, 2018 11:03:16 GMT
No surprise. Drunks and fights are common on the night tube.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2018 11:19:28 GMT
No surprise. Drunks and fights are common on the night tube. And on the day tube pmsl.
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Post by snoggle on Aug 17, 2018 14:27:37 GMT
Self congratulatory press release from the Mayor saying he "delivered" the Night Tube service and isn't it wonderful and doing better than expected. www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/night-tube-is-even-bigger-success-than-predictedObviously Boris struggled to get Night Tube in place during his time as Mayor but it is a bit rich of the current Mayor to say he "delivered" it. I think it's more a case of lobbed some money to buy off the unions and happened to be in office when it started. Not sure that counts as "delivering" anything. Night Overground I would credit to the current Mayor even if the idea almost certainly pre-dated his tenure.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 17, 2018 19:05:20 GMT
Self congratulatory press release from the Mayor saying he "delivered" the Night Tube service and isn't it wonderful and doing better than expected. www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/night-tube-is-even-bigger-success-than-predictedObviously Boris struggled to get Night Tube in place during his time as Mayor but it is a bit rich of the current Mayor to say he "delivered" it. I think it's more a case of lobbed some money to buy off the unions and happened to be in office when it started. Not sure that counts as "delivering" anything. Night Overground I would credit to the current Mayor even if the idea almost certainly pre-dated his tenure. But he FAILED to mention that it is STILL running at a LOSS!!!!
What an imbecile he is.
London's Night Tube: How is it faring two years on? The Night Tube, which began in 2016 on Friday and Saturdays, is still not making money despite passenger numbers going up. However, Transport for London says it is bringing an economic benefit to London, which is more important. It has had its fans and critics since it began in August 2016, and BBC London has been to talk to some of the people whose lives have changed as a result.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-45223928/london-s-night-tube-how-is-it-faring-two-years-on
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Post by sid on Aug 17, 2018 19:12:25 GMT
Self congratulatory press release from the Mayor saying he "delivered" the Night Tube service and isn't it wonderful and doing better than expected. www.london.gov.uk/press-releases/mayoral/night-tube-is-even-bigger-success-than-predictedObviously Boris struggled to get Night Tube in place during his time as Mayor but it is a bit rich of the current Mayor to say he "delivered" it. I think it's more a case of lobbed some money to buy off the unions and happened to be in office when it started. Not sure that counts as "delivering" anything. Night Overground I would credit to the current Mayor even if the idea almost certainly pre-dated his tenure. But he FAILED to mention that it is STILL running at a LOSS!!!!
What an imbecile he is.
London's Night Tube: How is it faring two years on? The Night Tube, which began in 2016 on Friday and Saturdays, is still not making money despite passenger numbers going up. However, Transport for London says it is bringing an economic benefit to London, which is more important. It has had its fans and critics since it began in August 2016, and BBC London has been to talk to some of the people whose lives have changed as a result.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-45223928/london-s-night-tube-how-is-it-faring-two-years-on
Wasn't it expected to run at a loss? Obviously there are benefits to London's night time economy.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Aug 18, 2018 15:51:48 GMT
But he FAILED to mention that it is STILL running at a LOSS!!!!
What an imbecile he is.
London's Night Tube: How is it faring two years on? The Night Tube, which began in 2016 on Friday and Saturdays, is still not making money despite passenger numbers going up. However, Transport for London says it is bringing an economic benefit to London, which is more important. It has had its fans and critics since it began in August 2016, and BBC London has been to talk to some of the people whose lives have changed as a result.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-england-london-45223928/london-s-night-tube-how-is-it-faring-two-years-on
Wasn't it expected to run at a loss? Obviously there are benefits to London's night time economy. Well on that note, let the buses run on a loss as well, no need for any of these cuts we are experiencing. As there are obvious benefits to the day and nighttime economy.
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Post by sid on Aug 18, 2018 17:03:45 GMT
Wasn't it expected to run at a loss? Obviously there are benefits to London's night time economy. Well on that note, let the buses run on a loss as well, no need for any of these cuts we are experiencing. As there are obvious benefits to the day and nighttime economy. I would imagine most bus routes run at a loss but there are limits to what losses can be sustained.
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