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Post by COBO on Oct 25, 2021 3:11:27 GMT
I wonder if the talk of bringing back the night tube might start the talks which will lead of the other tube lines, branches of tube lines that have the night don’t have the night tube in those branches cough the Greenford branch of the Central Line, other sections of The Overground, DLR and Crossrail to have night services. Hmm 🤔 There probably won't be a night service on the Sub Surface lines until the signalling upgrades have been completed. No immediate plans for a night DLR What Tube or rail service owned by TfL could gain a night service next?
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Post by richard on Oct 29, 2021 14:48:52 GMT
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Post by southlondon413 on Oct 29, 2021 15:01:37 GMT
Quelle surprise, said no one ever. So the drivers have now got comfortable doing day shifts on the night shift pay and now don’t want to do night shifts. Honestly, the night tube is just more trouble than it’s worth at this point. Kill it off, put the drivers and station staff back on regular day shifts/pay and use the cash to improve the night bus network instead.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 30, 2021 9:30:29 GMT
Quelle surprise, said no one ever. So the drivers have now got comfortable doing day shifts on the night shift pay and now don’t want to do night shifts. Honestly, the night tube is just more trouble than it’s worth at this point. Kill it off, put the drivers and station staff back on regular day shifts/pay and use the cash to improve the night bus network instead. That is terribly shocking doing day work and still receiving night pay. Any other job you would not get this. For example drivers who were on nightbus routes that got shelved or reduced when pandemic and night tube stopped who went on day bus were not receiving night bus pay.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 30, 2021 9:32:19 GMT
In other news.... RMT staff stage walkout against own unionStaff at a leading rail workers' union have walked out over an internal dispute, forcing its annual conference in Leeds to close early.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59094494
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Post by richard on Oct 30, 2021 10:32:13 GMT
In other news.... RMT staff stage walkout against own unionStaff at a leading rail workers' union have walked out over an internal dispute, forcing its annual conference in Leeds to close early.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-59094494Saw this yesterday this, is very strange
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Post by Alex on Oct 30, 2021 11:25:24 GMT
Quelle surprise, said no one ever. So the drivers have now got comfortable doing day shifts on the night shift pay and now don’t want to do night shifts. Honestly, the night tube is just more trouble than it’s worth at this point. Kill it off, put the drivers and station staff back on regular day shifts/pay and use the cash to improve the night bus network instead. That isn’t right, at the time of writing (before NT is planned to start again) there are no shift enhancements on LUL for ordinary shifts (there were different arrangements during the Olympics, and for Boxing Day/all night New Years Eve running) and there haven’t been for about thirty years. There was no night enhancement for the NT lines. What happened was, the night service was staffed by a special team of part time drivers who only worked Friday and Saturday nights. This was part of an agreement reached in 2015. Then, once the pandemic started and NT was shelved, the part time drivers were given the chance to stop working the nights and take full time day contracts. Most of them took LUL up on the offer. Fast forward to recent developments, and LUL had a desire to restart NT but - there was no time to recruit and train another whole batch of part time drivers. This would have taken many months to achieve (and LUL wanted to avoid the cost). However the 2015 agreement meant that daytime drivers couldn’t do the NT work. LUL put forward a plan where the NT shifts were tacked onto the full time rosters but with a shift premium. ASLEF ‘high ups’ accepted this above the heads of their members, the vast majority of staff on the ground were opposed to this. Apart from setting a dangerous precedent with guidelines and agreements being changed at the drop of a hat, the resulting rosters weren’t very good. RMT has always opposed this hence the action from that union now. The shift premium is still a saving for LUL, on very basic maths (without allowing for leave, training, above roster coverage - known as the pool), 2 full time drivers (10 shifts) covers the same amount of work as 5 part time drivers. Straight away that’s 72 hours of work with 2 drivers (36 hours a week) against 80 hours (5 x 16 hours a week). Though the part timers worked less hours, there is still uniform, pension contributions, staff travel concessions, training, sick pay and leave to consider which obviously adds up when you’ve only got to provide this for a smaller headcount of staff. It’s still a big saving for LUL. So that’s the RMT concern really, less roles for people overall, no recruitment into the driving grade, agreements being changed with no notice, rosters and arrangements which have been hastily arranged and totally against best practice guidance. Not to mention the problem with non-driving grade staff like signallers, station staff and controllers who also have to work all night on the NT service but with no enhancement! It’s only drivers who have been offered this to get their agreements changed. The situation is a bit more messy than it first seems……
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Post by richard on Nov 3, 2021 22:46:40 GMT
Night Overground returns from the 17th December between Highbury and New Cross Gate running every 15mins
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Post by uakari on Nov 30, 2021 14:09:16 GMT
Can someone tell us whether the 24 hour weekend services on particular bus routes are being reintroduced at the same time as the corresponding night tube lines?
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Post by YX10FFN on Dec 2, 2021 21:00:41 GMT
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Post by Dstock7080 on Apr 8, 2022 17:13:59 GMT
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Post by COBO on Apr 9, 2022 1:25:10 GMT
Are night tubes on the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan Lines still scheduled for 2023 or has it been halted because of TfL funding?
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Post by Green Kitten on Apr 9, 2022 6:14:27 GMT
Are night tubes on the Circle, District, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan Lines still scheduled for 2023 Definitely not. Likely will not see night services until the 4LM project is complete. Still quite a few SMAs to go. Happy to have the Jub back but sad to see my WTT go ;_;
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Post by ian on Jun 29, 2022 11:59:10 GMT
Northern Line night tube back on Saturday (2nd July). [Per email from TfL]
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Post by southlondon413 on Jun 29, 2022 12:05:47 GMT
Northern Line night tube back on Saturday (2nd July). [Per email from TfL] Presumably should see the return of the N154 then.
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