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Post by Unorm on Nov 2, 2015 16:37:24 GMT
Route E9 is proposed to be converted to doubledecks after 10% increase in patronage. Removal of Hail & Ride is also proposed in consultation. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/e9
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Post by stubag on Nov 2, 2015 16:41:31 GMT
That might explain why the tender award is overdue
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Post by snoggle on Nov 2, 2015 17:51:07 GMT
Route E9 is proposed to be converted to doubledecks after 10% increase in patronage. Removal of Hail & Ride is also proposed in consultation. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/e9 What a rather strange choice for double decking. TfL's own published patronage numbers don't show a >10% increase over the last 5 years although patronage has risen. However there are far busier routes in Ealing or connecting to Crossrail that would warrant double decking (if physically possible). Both the E5 and E6 have higher total patronage than the E9 and the E6 has seen massive patronage growth. I'm not familiar with the E9 as I've not ridden it nor most other Ealing "E" routes so I may well be missing something. Does the Barnhill Estate have particularly high usage? Any other pertinent factors that affect the E9?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2015 17:58:24 GMT
Route E9 is proposed to be converted to doubledecks after 10% increase in patronage. Removal of Hail & Ride is also proposed in consultation. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/e9 What a rather strange choice for double decking. TfL's own published patronage numbers don't show a >10% increase over the last 5 years although patronage has risen. However there are far busier routes in Ealing or connecting to Crossrail that would warrant double decking (if physically possible). Both the E5 and E6 have higher total patronage than the E9 and the E6 has seen massive patronage growth. I'm not familiar with the E9 as I've not ridden it nor most other Ealing "E" routes so I may well be missing something. Does the Barnhill Estate have particularly high usage? Any other pertinent factors that affect the E9? As far as I am aware, the E9 was born to serve the Barnhill Estate; otherwise it duplicates the E7 so if Yeading isn't that popular then there is no point in the route
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Post by stubag on Nov 2, 2015 18:45:49 GMT
E6 is a must for a DD conversion. Not so sure on E9, I live on the route (as well as E7/282/120) and I can't say I've seen the need. E7 could do with it but like most routes at peak times. Has the E2 patronage gone doesn't by the same percentage?? As the pitshanger section is the only place where it CAN be busy
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Post by stubag on Nov 2, 2015 18:48:05 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Nov 2, 2015 18:49:57 GMT
I've done the E9 and it was quite busy - I'd say it scrapes a decker conversion but only just. The Barnshill Estate is very tight so good luck not letting your decker get into a fight with parked cars lol.
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Post by stubag on Nov 2, 2015 18:57:46 GMT
I've done the E9 and it was quite busy - I'd say it scrapes a decker conversion but only just. The Barnshill Estate is very tight so good luck not letting your decker get into a fight with parked cars lol. I've driven it and I wouldn't wanna take one round there
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Post by vjaska on Nov 2, 2015 19:16:35 GMT
I've done the E9 and it was quite busy - I'd say it scrapes a decker conversion but only just. The Barnshill Estate is very tight so good luck not letting your decker get into a fight with parked cars lol. I've driven it and o wouldn't wanna tale one round there Indeed, the day I done it, we had to jump the kerb twice in the estate lol.
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Post by stubag on Nov 2, 2015 19:17:28 GMT
I've driven it and o wouldn't wanna tale one round there Indeed, the day I done it, we had to jump the kerb twice in the estate lol. Not forgetting the low overhanging trees either
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Post by snowman on Nov 2, 2015 20:47:58 GMT
That might explain why the tender award is overdue Bonkers timing. TfL issued the tender in May, bids were due in June, and award was supposed to be Sept. Why didn't they hold a consultation prior to calling for bids. More importantly why is there a consultation anyway, although it daftly says TfL are obliged to consult, this is garbage as there is no frequency or route change. There has never been a requirement to consult on using different buses (ever heard of a LT conversion getting a public consultation because the bus type is proposed to change). The 2 newest routes 618 and 619 were introduced without a consultation so TfL don't even consider new routes require consulting on. The revised bus stops might need a consultation, but this isn't a reason to delay the tender award. I can only assume some cast off (from another route) deckers have been proposed by one of the bidders (and Metroline doesn't have a shortage of suitable single decks so is presumably someone else).
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Post by stubag on Nov 2, 2015 20:51:45 GMT
That might explain why the tender award is overdue Bonkers timing. TfL issued the tender in May, bids were due in June, and award was supposed to be Sept. Why didn't they hold a consultation prior to calling for bids. More importantly why is there a consultation anyway, although it daftly says TfL are obliged to consult, this is garbage as there is no frequency or route change. There has never been a requirement to consult on using different buses (ever heard of a LT conversion getting a public consultation because the bus type is proposed to change). The 2 newest routes 618 and 619 were introduced without a consultation so TfL don't even consider new routes require consulting on. The revised bus stops might need a consultation, but this isn't a reason to delay the tender award. I can only assume some cast off (from another route) deckers have been proposed by one of the bidders (and Metroline doesn't have a shortage of suitable single decks so is presumably someone else). Ooh route gain for Arriva HE with some relics out of Borehamwood
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Post by Green Kitten on Nov 2, 2015 22:14:52 GMT
Of all the Es to choose from, the E9? Really?! Dare I mention that the E6, E7 and E8 see much higher usage. The E8 is a much more worthy candidate for DD conversion than the E9. I'm not sure if the E6 and E7 can take double-deck vehicles, not having completed any of those two. But, I'm all for it. If it means less of those wretched ex-first DEs, and a good increase in capacity, then I'm all for it. Me and Trident were going to do this route from Ealing Broadway, however it was during peak hours and the queue for the E9 was almost endless. An MMC on the E1 made us change our minds. If extra capacity is desired because of the Crossrail at Ealing Broadway, surely it would make a case for many other SD Ealing Broadway routes to be converted... the aforementioned E7 and E8, and perhaps the 112? All in all, I think there's many routes more worthy of a DD conversion. 235, 316, 195... I could go on.
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Post by stubag on Nov 2, 2015 22:18:14 GMT
No reason why E7 can't take DD. The E6 might struggle with parked cars round the back end of hayes as it passes through a housing estate.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 2, 2015 22:24:11 GMT
No reason why E7 can't take DD. The E6 might struggle with parked cars round the back end of hayes as it passes through a housing estate. Yeah, those roads looked tight and that was on a MM lol. The E7 & E8 seem the most logical and straightforward ones to double deck personally whilst it's a crime that the 112 was allowed to continue with single decks. Still, the one I'm waiting for is the 355 - that really does need deckers!
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