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Post by 700101 on Mar 16, 2022 18:31:34 GMT
Has the Rainham service been fully restored yet ? Not yet, will go back to 2tph in May
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Post by buspete on Mar 19, 2022 22:44:56 GMT
Anyone remember what the original 1988 Thameslink services replaced?
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Post by snowman on Mar 20, 2022 6:22:42 GMT
Anyone remember what the original 1988 Thameslink services replaced? The northern part was the Moorgate / St Pancras - Bedford suburban electrification operated by 48 class 317s The 317s moved to Kings Cross (releasing class 312s) and West Anglia outer surburban services (which was at the time being extended from Royston and Bishops Stortford towards Cambridge as line was electrified. The Southern part was basically 3 services, a local suburban service from Holborn Viaduct via Herne Hill which had been operated by 4EPB units, a service by the Wimbledon and Sutton loop, and the remnant of the Brighton City services which use to operate into the high numbered platforms at London Bridge. Some of the 319s entered service in 1987, a few years earlier BR had agreed a deadline of end 1987 for withdrawal of all remaining stock with asbestos, and this included some of the 1960 BR 4EPB units, and classes 305, 307 and 308 operating out of Liverpool Street. Some units had asbestos removed and were refurbished but others were planned for withdrawal. So they needed the 312s (from Kings Cross line) to move to join the batch operating out of Liverpool Street It was very quickly realised that after the cuts of early 1980s, the Lawson boom and central London commuting were rapidly increasing so for a while some of the 317s stayed for peak hour trains, and an additional 14 units were ordered. The line had to be shut for few weeks couple of years later, whilst the track was rerouted from the bridge over Ludgate Hill to the new Thameslink station in a cutting. Subsequently in 1990 an extra 26 units were introduced which had first class for Brighton services. (York works was then building extra batches of 321s and 319s almost continuously as passenger numbers increased)
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Post by buspete on Mar 20, 2022 21:27:37 GMT
Anyone remember what the original 1988 Thameslink services replaced? The northern part was the Moorgate / St Pancras - Bedford suburban electrification operated by 48 class 317s The 317s moved to Kings Cross (releasing class 312s) and West Anglia outer surburban services (which was at the time being extended from Royston and Bishops Stortford towards Cambridge as line was electrified. The Southern part was basically 3 services, a local suburban service from Holborn Viaduct via Herne Hill which had been operated by 4EPB units, a service by the Wimbledon and Sutton loop, and the remnant of the Brighton City services which use to operate into the high numbered platforms at London Bridge. Some of the 319s entered service in 1987, a few years earlier BR had agreed a deadline of end 1987 for withdrawal of all remaining stock with asbestos, and this included some of the 1960 BR 4EPB units, and classes 305, 307 and 308 operating out of Liverpool Street. Some units had asbestos removed and were refurbished but others were planned for withdrawal. So they needed the 312s (from Kings Cross line) to move to join the batch operating out of Liverpool Street It was very quickly realised that after the cuts of early 1980s, the Lawson boom and central London commuting were rapidly increasing so for a while some of the 317s stayed for peak hour trains, and an additional 14 units were ordered. The line had to be shut for few weeks couple of years later, whilst the track was rerouted from the bridge over Ludgate Hill to the new Thameslink station in a cutting. Subsequently in 1990 an extra 26 units were introduced which had first class for Brighton services. (York works was then building extra batches of 321s and 319s almost continuously as passenger numbers increased) Thanks for that. The Moorgate/ St Pancras service do you know rather service pattern for this? So as I understand it the Sutton circular service started from Holborn Viaduct? The Brighton service operated and terminated at London Bridge, do you know how frequent this service was? Where did the Sevenoaks service via Catford run from?
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Post by vjaska on Mar 20, 2022 22:40:27 GMT
The northern part was the Moorgate / St Pancras - Bedford suburban electrification operated by 48 class 317s The 317s moved to Kings Cross (releasing class 312s) and West Anglia outer surburban services (which was at the time being extended from Royston and Bishops Stortford towards Cambridge as line was electrified. The Southern part was basically 3 services, a local suburban service from Holborn Viaduct via Herne Hill which had been operated by 4EPB units, a service by the Wimbledon and Sutton loop, and the remnant of the Brighton City services which use to operate into the high numbered platforms at London Bridge. Some of the 319s entered service in 1987, a few years earlier BR had agreed a deadline of end 1987 for withdrawal of all remaining stock with asbestos, and this included some of the 1960 BR 4EPB units, and classes 305, 307 and 308 operating out of Liverpool Street. Some units had asbestos removed and were refurbished but others were planned for withdrawal. So they needed the 312s (from Kings Cross line) to move to join the batch operating out of Liverpool Street It was very quickly realised that after the cuts of early 1980s, the Lawson boom and central London commuting were rapidly increasing so for a while some of the 317s stayed for peak hour trains, and an additional 14 units were ordered. The line had to be shut for few weeks couple of years later, whilst the track was rerouted from the bridge over Ludgate Hill to the new Thameslink station in a cutting. Subsequently in 1990 an extra 26 units were introduced which had first class for Brighton services. (York works was then building extra batches of 321s and 319s almost continuously as passenger numbers increased) Thanks for that. The Moorgate/ St Pancras service do you know rather service pattern for this? So as I understand it the Sutton circular service started from Holborn Viaduct? The Brighton service operated and terminated at London Bridge, do you know how frequent this service was? Where did the Sevenoaks service via Catford run from? Sutton loop services started at Holborn Viaduct and then ran along to the Sutton loop but via West Croydon rather than today's routing
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Post by YY13VKP on Mar 21, 2022 20:21:17 GMT
In collaboration with the Branch Line Society, Southern are running a farewell tour for the Class 455's on their last day in service, Saturday 14th May - The Metro Marauder! All proceeds from the tour will go to charity. It should see the 455's visit some unusual places and take a trip to the seaside, such as Billingshurst, Lewes, Brighton, Hove, and even a foray onto the Southeastern mainline between London Charing Cross and Sevenoaks via Orpington, where I don't think a 455 has ever been before! Further details can be found here: www.branchline.uk/fixture.php
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Post by vjaska on Mar 21, 2022 21:21:02 GMT
In collaboration with the Branch Line Society, Southern are running a farewell tour for the Class 455's on their last day in service, Saturday 14th May - The Metro Marauder! All proceeds from the tour will go to charity. It should see the 455's visit some unusual places and take a trip to the seaside, such as Billingshurst, Lewes, Brighton, Hove, and even a foray onto the Southeastern mainline between London Charing Cross and Sevenoaks via Orpington, where I don't think a 455 has ever been before! Further details can be found here: www.branchline.uk/fixture.phpI’ve never been on one of these tours before but despite the price, I’m actually tempted
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Post by YY13VKP on Mar 21, 2022 21:34:02 GMT
In collaboration with the Branch Line Society, Southern are running a farewell tour for the Class 455's on their last day in service, Saturday 14th May - The Metro Marauder! All proceeds from the tour will go to charity. It should see the 455's visit some unusual places and take a trip to the seaside, such as Billingshurst, Lewes, Brighton, Hove, and even a foray onto the Southeastern mainline between London Charing Cross and Sevenoaks via Orpington, where I don't think a 455 has ever been before! Further details can be found here: www.branchline.uk/fixture.phpI’ve never been on one of these tours before but despite the price, I’m actually tempted I'd definitely go for it, it would be your last opportunity to ride a Southern 455 (unless one gets preserved or they're pressed back into service if Southern needs additional capacity, though I wouldn't bank on that!), plus you'll get to travel to places which have rarely/never seen a 455. Of course, there will be some in regular service on that day too, as the timetable change comes into force on Sunday.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 22, 2022 0:06:48 GMT
I’ve never been on one of these tours before but despite the price, I’m actually tempted I'd definitely go for it, it would be your last opportunity to ride a Southern 455 (unless one gets preserved or they're pressed back into service if Southern needs additional capacity, though I wouldn't bank on that!), plus you'll get to travel to places which have rarely/never seen a 455. Of course, there will be some in regular service on that day too, as the timetable change comes into force on Sunday. I mean I am planning to ride a 455 (I've rode plenty over the last year now Tulse Hill is my usual starting station) hopefully in April but the tour still intrigues me, despite not really being a train enthusiast so to speak.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2022 21:01:32 GMT
Thanks for that. The Moorgate/ St Pancras service do you know rather service pattern for this? So as I understand it the Sutton circular service started from Holborn Viaduct? The Brighton service operated and terminated at London Bridge, do you know how frequent this service was? Where did the Sevenoaks service via Catford run from? Sutton loop services started at Holborn Viaduct and then ran along to the Sutton loop but via West Croydon rather than today's routing I didn't know that. So it stared at Holborn Viaduct then down to Streatham as now then via Wimbledon, Morden South, Sutton then West Croydon, Selhurst, Streatham Common then back Streatham and return to Holborn?
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2022 21:14:36 GMT
Sutton loop services started at Holborn Viaduct and then ran along to the Sutton loop but via West Croydon rather than today's routing I didn't know that. So it stared at Holborn Viaduct then down to Streatham as now then via Wimbledon, Morden South, Sutton then West Croydon, Selhurst, Streatham Common then back Streatham and return to Holborn? I presume that’s how it happened - from memory, I’m sure the loop was lengthier than it is today which would be the case via West Croydon but I could be wrong
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2022 21:31:55 GMT
I didn't know that. So it stared at Holborn Viaduct then down to Streatham as now then via Wimbledon, Morden South, Sutton then West Croydon, Selhurst, Streatham Common then back Streatham and return to Holborn? I presume that’s how it happened - from memory, I’m sure the loop was lengthier than it is today which would be the case via West Croydon but I could be wrong I think you are right. I know the last services out of Holborn Viaduct were to Sevenoaks and West Croydon which would suggest other services had been removed by the late 80s.
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Post by YY13VKP on Mar 25, 2022 9:12:56 GMT
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Post by lonmark on Mar 25, 2022 14:31:35 GMT
It didn't say will that train running for GBR ? Like Southeastern?
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Post by richard on Apr 4, 2022 22:34:45 GMT
Not a good day for Thameslink
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