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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 16:50:27 GMT
I feel so old now snoogle ? I'm 33 next month
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Post by northken on Dec 8, 2015 17:04:56 GMT
My bus OCD means I can't stand the following: Blinds not lit up Incorrect destination/route number Ibus not working Ibus destination inconsistent with destination on blindIbus announcements not being used by driver to convey message to public, such as 'Drinking alcohol on London's buses is not permitted' I.e passenger blatantly drinking a bottle of whiskey at the back of a single decker on the middle seat! TfL roundel missing/not yet applied London buses not red! Don't like all over advertising! Sorry about this I'm really finicky! This one annoys me the most by far! It's horrible to watch Countdown, waiting for a bus which iBus says is going the full way, only to be heart broken as the blind suggests otherwise. This is even worse when it's tourists who have no clue and trust iBus wholeheartedly.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 8, 2015 17:32:26 GMT
I feel so old now snoogle ? I'm 33 next month Who's "Snoogle"? Don't worry I'm only more than 50% older than you and don't get quite so wound up by your list of features. If I see a wrong blind because the driver forget to reset it I try to do a "winding" motion and point at the blind. Nearly all drivers see this and give a thumbs up and fix it immediately. If I'm getting on the bus then I'll tell the driver. They're human, they forget stuff and yes it's not perfect service but it takes little effort to try to correct it. Systems can fail and to be fair Countdown / I-Bus failures are pretty rare and usually don't last terribly long. One thing TfL could do is have a Twitter account that allows faults to be reported by the public. Some TOCs are doing this for train carriages so people can tweet the carriage number as a hashtag to report faults they see / experience when travelling.
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 8, 2015 18:30:24 GMT
My bus OCD means I can't stand the following: Blinds not lit up Incorrect destination/route number Ibus not working Ibus destination inconsistent with destination on blindIbus announcements not being used by driver to convey message to public, such as 'Drinking alcohol on London's buses is not permitted' I.e passenger blatantly drinking a bottle of whiskey at the back of a single decker on the middle seat! TfL roundel missing/not yet applied London buses not red! Don't like all over advertising! Sorry about this I'm really finicky! This one annoys me the most by far! It's horrible to watch Countdown, waiting for a bus which iBus says is going the full way, only to be heart broken as the blind suggests otherwise. This is even worse when it's tourists who have no clue and trust iBus wholeheartedly. At times that cannot be helped, there are some unofficial curtailments which are used. Not on iBus or in some cases the blinds.
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Post by DT 11 on Dec 8, 2015 18:41:53 GMT
My bus OCD means I can't stand the following: Blinds not lit up Incorrect destination/route number Ibus not working Ibus destination inconsistent with destination on blind Ibus announcements not being used by driver to convey message to public, such as 'Drinking alcohol on London's buses is not permitted' I.e passenger blatantly drinking a bottle of whiskey at the back of a single decker on the middle seat! TfL roundel missing/not yet applied London buses not red! Don't like all over advertising! Sorry about this I'm really finicky! If someone is drinking and the driver is unaware, passengers can also inform the driver. If the person refuses to stop the police should be informed. It is against the Law to Smoke & Drink on Buses.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 8, 2015 21:19:58 GMT
If someone is drinking and the driver is unaware, passengers can also inform the driver. If the person refuses to stop the police should be informed. It is against the Law to Smoke & Drink on Buses. I think that is only correct in terms of smoking if we are talking about the law of the land. Drinking or even carrying an open container of alcohol is against TfL's byelaws which are not the same thing as statute. I doubt a police man would be able to arrest someone for drinking on a bus provided they were not seriously intoxicated, incapable or causing a breach of the peace. Interestingly TfL's byelaws in respect of road transport only apply to premises that TfL control or lease to operators. They do NOT apply to vehicles used to carry people on TfL bus services. The reference to vehicles relates to someone bringing their own vehicle or bicycle on to TfL premises which is a different thing altogether. There is nothing in the byelaws that confers a power of arrest. The powers are about requiring people to leave premises when requested or, if they fail to comply, being removed from the premises. content.tfl.gov.uk/road-transport-premises-byelaws.pdfThe The Public Service Vehicles (Conduct of Drivers, Inspectors, Conductors and Passengers) Regulations 1990 cover passenger responsibilities and I can't see alcohol directly mentioned at all. The Conditions of Carriage say this. Note the lack of reference to prosecution if the disobeying occurs on a bus.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 22:38:28 GMT
I feel so old now snoogle ? I'm 33 next month Who's "Snoogle"? Don't worry I'm only more than 50% older than you and don't get quite so wound up by your list of features. If I see a wrong blind because the driver forget to reset it I try to do a "winding" motion and point at the blind. Nearly all drivers see this and give a thumbs up and fix it immediately. If I'm getting on the bus then I'll tell the driver. They're human, they forget stuff and yes it's not perfect service but it takes little effort to try to correct it. Systems can fail and to be fair Countdown / I-Bus failures are pretty rare and usually don't last terribly long. One thing TfL could do is have a Twitter account that allows faults to be reported by the public. Some TOCs are doing this for train carriages so people can tweet the carriage number as a hashtag to report faults they see / experience when travelling. Sorry! 'Snoggle'☺️ normally tell the drivers as well also doing a winding motion and inform them if I'm boarding a misblinded bus.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 9, 2015 0:16:41 GMT
My bus OCD means I can't stand the following: Blinds not lit up Incorrect destination/route number Ibus not working Ibus destination inconsistent with destination on blind Ibus announcements not being used by driver to convey message to public, such as 'Drinking alcohol on London's buses is not permitted' I.e passenger blatantly drinking a bottle of whiskey at the back of a single decker on the middle seat! TfL roundel missing/not yet applied London buses not red! Don't like all over advertising! Sorry about this I'm really finicky! I am sure that the drinking alcohol message has been removed from the ibus list on MDT's, think this was early this year.
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Post by stubag on Dec 9, 2015 7:02:59 GMT
My bus OCD means I can't stand the following: Blinds not lit up Incorrect destination/route number Ibus not working Ibus destination inconsistent with destination on blind Ibus announcements not being used by driver to convey message to public, such as 'Drinking alcohol on London's buses is not permitted' I.e passenger blatantly drinking a bottle of whiskey at the back of a single decker on the middle seat! TfL roundel missing/not yet applied London buses not red! Don't like all over advertising! Sorry about this I'm really finicky! I am sure that the drinking alcohol message has been removed from the ibus list on MDT's, think this was early this year. Yes alcohol message has been removed however the smoking message is still present
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Post by greeny253 on Dec 9, 2015 7:11:02 GMT
This isn't the provinces though - drivers can't just simply leave their cab to pull up manual ramps which are no more reliable than motorised ones anyway. London is about short dwell times unlike the provinces so having manual ramps would increase dwell times. Also, the driver becomes vulnerable to abuse or worse from passengers. Sorry but manual ramps are quite obviously far more reliable, in fact they never fail. In other big cities it doesn't seem to be a problem so why should it be in London? I'm sure London doesn't have a monopoly on abusive passengers and as for dwell times manual ramps are invariably much quicker! Whilst manual wheelchair ramps are indeed less prone to failure, it doesn't mean to say that they are immune from problems. I once had the brakes lock on sat at Chelmsford Market because the small contact on the bottom of my ramp wasn't correctly contacting a point on the bus to release the brakes... 5p coin soon got it moving but they aren't without problems. That said, I much preferred using the manual ramps. Much better for passenger interaction and if you were on a long run getting out meant you could stretch your legs for a minute!
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Post by greeny253 on Dec 9, 2015 7:13:50 GMT
Who's "Snoogle"? Don't worry I'm only more than 50% older than you and don't get quite so wound up by your list of features. If I see a wrong blind because the driver forget to reset it I try to do a "winding" motion and point at the blind. Nearly all drivers see this and give a thumbs up and fix it immediately. If I'm getting on the bus then I'll tell the driver. They're human, they forget stuff and yes it's not perfect service but it takes little effort to try to correct it. Systems can fail and to be fair Countdown / I-Bus failures are pretty rare and usually don't last terribly long. One thing TfL could do is have a Twitter account that allows faults to be reported by the public. Some TOCs are doing this for train carriages so people can tweet the carriage number as a hashtag to report faults they see / experience when travelling. Sorry! 'Snoggle'☺️ normally tell the drivers as well also doing a winding motion and inform them if I'm boarding a misblinded bus. Best thing about that? Despite the fact that most (but indeed not all!) buses in London use smart blind technology, a quick winding motion is still a recognised sign amongst drivers for an incorrect blind display
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 12, 2015 12:40:25 GMT
1-12-15 ENS3 route 393 19:57 no blindbox lights on ENL18 route 393 19:18 no blindbox lights on
8-12-15 ENS1 route 393 17:12 no blindbox lights on HV50 route 253 19:20 no blindbox lights on as the driver has not turned the ignition/light switch on full, so no headlights or tail lights on at all, just daytime running front LED (way unacceptable)
11-12-15 ENS3 route 393 17:08 no blindbox lights on
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 15, 2015 21:22:05 GMT
15-12-15 ENS1 route 393 no blindbox lights on near 8am which was a dark morning.
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Post by marlon101 on Dec 18, 2015 20:59:12 GMT
A few offending buses in London and that last one is interesting seeing as we (apparently?) can't have the far cheaper and far more reliable manually operated wheelchair ramps in London because they would necessitate the driver leaving the cab This isn't the provinces though - drivers can't just simply leave their cab to pull up manual ramps which are no more reliable than motorised ones anyway. London is about short dwell times unlike the provinces so having manual ramps would increase dwell times. Also, the driver becomes vulnerable to abuse or worse from passengers. With respect you can't say you're unwilling to take measures to aid the disabled because such measures are inconvenient. Can I raise the 486's batch of Es at Bexleyheath where the blind boxes, particularly at the rear, are so filthy one can never see the route number, nor normally the reg plate which strangely doesn't seem to get picked up!
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 19, 2015 12:28:46 GMT
I have just been working through the PSVAR regulations which apply to single decks next month and Double decks from 1/1/17 PSVAR is the name for the Disability regs and the 2010 Act makes it criminal offence after above dates Buses with blind lights not turned on at night are NOT compliant (fine is upto £2500, or could get the Operator a DVSA prohibition notice) Also not compliant is failing to display both the route number and destination on side blind near the entrance door (that means from 1st January any single deck bus with faulty blinds or old via somewhere blinds cant be legally used) Also becomes compulsory to display the route number at rear (again it becomes legal requirement, so fines are possible if driver fails to notice a wrong display, rather than current token slap on wrist). Displaying a blank blind, front, side or rear in service also becomes criminal offence. One that might catch some drivers out, is that any disabled person who asks for help must be given reasonable assistance to boarding or alighting, no sitting in cab not giving assistance. Full regs here www.zigs.me/7C9 TfL will always find a loophole, and if VOSA / DVSA have suffered the same savage cuts as everyone else, there may not be any officials to enforce it I'm sure the banditry will flourish They're not even sure if they still want WOBs, seeing the sole Streetlite LU ordered for Park Royal / Fulwell that arrived with Dayglo's I'm sure there will still be plenty of bits of A4 sheets as blinds come New Years on all buses as operators sometime just have to put a bus out on a route due to demand
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