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Post by routew15 on Nov 23, 2015 12:39:25 GMT
TfL has launched a consultation today on the changes to bus routes EL1 & EL2 EL1 & EL2 consultation page- photo/pdf from TfLIlford Lane would have a small frequency reduction from a bus every 3 minutes to a bus every 3-4 minutes, not sure if this will be good for the EL1. Big changes for the EL2. Surprised the EL3 was not included in this consultation. Consultation closes Monday 18 January 2015
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Post by sid on Nov 23, 2015 12:54:37 GMT
Wouldn't it be simpler just to extend the 238 to Becontree Heath?
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Post by vjaska on Nov 23, 2015 14:28:37 GMT
Wouldn't it be simpler just to extend the 238 to Becontree Heath? I definitely prefer that idea as the 5 would get assistance from East Ham to Becontree Heath and we know how busy the 5 is.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 23, 2015 16:50:11 GMT
TfL has launched a consultation today on the changes to bus routes EL1 & EL2 EL1 & EL2 consultation page- photo/pdf from TfLIlford Lane would have a small frequency reduction from a bus every 3 minutes to a bus every 3-4 minutes, not sure if this will be good for the EL1. Big changes for the EL2. Surprised the EL3 was not included in this consultation. Consultation closes Monday 18 January 2015Presumably the EL3 wasn't involved as it should be introduced in 2017 while these changes are for Spring 2016. It will be interesting seeing people finally trying to differentiate between the two ELT routes as they will go to different places. Currently people just get on any ELT liveried bus that comes in their direction, they probably don't even know what route they are on. However I am guilty of doing that sometimes Overall I don't see the point in them extending/diverting the EL2 as the 238 would surely have been the far better option for this. However this will relieve capacity on the 5 nonetheless and I do, in that respect think that this is a good idea.
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Post by Green Kitten on Nov 23, 2015 17:02:07 GMT
Wouldn't it be simpler just to extend the 238 to Becontree Heath? I agree. The 238 is also a 24-hour service so introduces some more useful night links. In general, though, quite a good proposal.
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Post by routew15 on Nov 23, 2015 18:13:31 GMT
Presumably the EL3 wasn't involved as it should be introduced in 2017 while these changes are for Spring 2016. It will be interesting seeing people finally trying to differentiate between the two ELT routes as they will go to different places. Currently people just get on any ELT liveried bus that comes in their direction, they probably don't even know what route they are on. However I am guilty of doing that sometimes Overall I don't see the point in them extending/diverting the EL2 as the 238 would surely have been the far better option for this. However this will relieve capacity on the 5 nonetheless and I do, in that respect think that this is a good idea. Thank you the clarification on the EL3. I knew there was a reason that it was not there, just couldn't see why at time of writing the original post. I think the 238 would of been a nice route to have chosen, however I see the reasoning for it not being extended. It could be because there is less chance of overcrowding on the EL2, unlike the 238 which could have more end-to-end journies if the 5 is anything to go by. I think this could of been a good opportunity to introduce a new route, as part of the ELT, running from North Woolwich to Romford via the 474 (to Gallions Reach), 366 (to Barking) and 5 (to Romford) think this could of been better. I wonder if the EL2 extension will get the same "glamorous" bus stop treatment and infrastructure that the EL1 & EL3/387 have?
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Post by vjaska on Nov 23, 2015 20:06:07 GMT
Presumably the EL3 wasn't involved as it should be introduced in 2017 while these changes are for Spring 2016. It will be interesting seeing people finally trying to differentiate between the two ELT routes as they will go to different places. Currently people just get on any ELT liveried bus that comes in their direction, they probably don't even know what route they are on. However I am guilty of doing that sometimes Overall I don't see the point in them extending/diverting the EL2 as the 238 would surely have been the far better option for this. However this will relieve capacity on the 5 nonetheless and I do, in that respect think that this is a good idea. Thank you the clarification on the EL3. I knew there was a reason that it was not there, just couldn't see why at time of writing the original post. I think the 238 would of been a nice route to have chosen, however I see the reasoning for it not being extended. It could be because there is less chance of overcrowding on the EL2, unlike the 238 which could have more end-to-end journies if the 5 is anything to go by. I think this could of been a good opportunity to introduce a new route, as part of the ELT, running from North Woolwich to Romford via the 474 (to Gallions Reach), 366 (to Barking) and 5 (to Romford) think this could of been better. I wonder if the EL2 extension will get the same "glamorous" bus stop treatment and infrastructure that the EL1 & EL3/387 have? I think the 238 would relieve the 5 more than the proposed diversion of the EL2 as the 5 is rammed throughout and it's the only cross link through Barking from east to west which doesn't help the 5.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 23, 2015 20:13:04 GMT
Thank you the clarification on the EL3. I knew there was a reason that it was not there, just couldn't see why at time of writing the original post. I think the 238 would of been a nice route to have chosen, however I see the reasoning for it not being extended. It could be because there is less chance of overcrowding on the EL2, unlike the 238 which could have more end-to-end journies if the 5 is anything to go by. I think this could of been a good opportunity to introduce a new route, as part of the ELT, running from North Woolwich to Romford via the 474 (to Gallions Reach), 366 (to Barking) and 5 (to Romford) think this could of been better. I wonder if the EL2 extension will get the same "glamorous" bus stop treatment and infrastructure that the EL1 & EL3/387 have? I think the 238 would relieve the 5 more than the proposed diversion of the EL2 as the 5 is rammed throughout and it's the only cross link through Barking from east to west which doesn't help the 5. One issue with Barking is that there is a pretty high amount of people who depend on Public Transport in order to get to places yet the links buses provide are not that desirable. Before TfL decided to mess Aldgate up I always thought that a westerly extension would benefit the 238 instead such as running to Mile End. However due to the increase in traffic in the area I don't think that's a good idea anymore. However as was mentioned earlier should the 238 be extended it would benefit the 5 much more than extending the 238, but once people discover that they have a brand new route in their area going to Stratford It's just going to be a matter of time before the 238 itself starts to suffer from overcrowding issues.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2015 20:23:03 GMT
At least the 5 will get a little bit of help (As others have said the 238 might have been better but still)
I dread to think how much confusion there will be if this goes ahead as I bet hardly anyone looks at the EL route numbers! Perhaps renumber the EL2?
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Post by snoggle on Nov 23, 2015 21:07:39 GMT
Hard to be clear about this proposal. The missing info, which TfL must have, is whether Oyster data has revealed something about cross Barking travel patterns which supports the EL2 proposal in preference to doing something else. Barking is certainly going to see a vast step in capacity when you consider the 62 will be double decked and increased freqs, the 366 gets extra buses, the 368 gets double decked and increased freqs and now these changes. There's no doubt that at times the routes are very busy indeed but this is a bit of a once in 20 years step up in capability.
I suspect the earlier comment that if you ran the 238 across Barking it would become too popular may well be true. I don't think TfL want another "route 5" on their hands at this point in time. Worth considering that Newham and Havering are likely to see considerable changes in conjunction with Crossrail so the established pattern of services may be wiped away and replaced with something quite different if the emphasis is to get people to and from Crossrail stations. I'm not sure that what we are beginning to see in Barking and Dagenham will necessarily carry forward - especially if the funding is wrecked.
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Post by wivenswold on Nov 24, 2015 18:54:32 GMT
Looking at the route, I think it's time to claim back the number 87 for the Barking area.
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Post by routew15 on Nov 24, 2015 19:22:18 GMT
Looking at the route, I think it's time to claim back the number 87 for the Barking area. At the moment it doesn't seem like that's the intention TfL has, the EL routes do not seem like they are going anywhere. For now...
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Post by wivenswold on Nov 25, 2015 1:13:48 GMT
Shame, not a fan of the EL prefix idea. Understandable if they were guided bus routes but they're not.
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Post by fl70500 on Dec 2, 2015 23:02:44 GMT
I think its a good idea. With regards 238 East Ham and Barking road A406 get heavily congested at peak times with the 5, the EL2 only gets held up if A13 goes to pot. The amount of people I see standing at Barking Station stop waiting for Becontree bound buses I think with the increase in frequency on both EL1 & 2 would cater for quite a lot here. As for confusion I would imagine the EL2 would move to the 5 stop Eastbound.
Just make sure nobody asks an EL2 driver for Dagenham or we going to have fun making you cross the road he hee
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 19, 2016 15:31:31 GMT
Just had an email from TfL and these changes will happen on the 19th of March, with the new route being made to ELT standards by February 2017
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