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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 15:36:06 GMT
Just had an email from TfL and these changes will happen on the 19th of March, with the new route being made to ELT standards by February 2017 What do you mean by the route being made to ELT standards?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Feb 19, 2016 15:44:12 GMT
Just had an email from TfL and these changes will happen on the 19th of March, with the new route being made to ELT standards by February 2017 Hurrah no more trying to squeeze onto a 5 in the morning peak or trying to squeeze on anything outside Barking Station in the evening peak Does that mean we're going to get fancy ELT vinyls on our bus stops on Longbridge Road now?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 19, 2016 15:44:54 GMT
Just had an email from TfL and these changes will happen on the 19th of March, with the new route being made to ELT standards by February 2017 What do you mean by the route being made to ELT standards? The stop shelters being replaced, cats eyes being placed in the curb around bus stops. The ELT logo being placed on the bus stops. Improving the road itself and making the bus stops longer so more buses can fit in them.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 19, 2016 15:58:05 GMT
The consultation page has been updated and reports included. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/buses/el1-el2The comments from the Stakeholders are worth reading. Looks like Barking and Dagenham Council aren't wholly convinced and want more buses added on an ongoing basis to deal with overcrowding (they'll be lucky!). The view from Thames View Estate is also telling.
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Post by snowman on Feb 19, 2016 16:00:41 GMT
Just had an email from TfL and these changes will happen on the 19th of March, with the new route being made to ELT standards by February 2017 What do you mean by the route being made to ELT standards? Depends on which version of ELT and its subsequent make it cheaper amendments you look at. Started as a tram line, saved on cost of tracks by changing to trolleybus. Ended up as diesel bus with a non red paint job. Effectively now just another bus route.
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Post by wivenswold on Feb 19, 2016 16:48:54 GMT
I wish they'd give them proper route numbers. I can understand prefixes for hub networks but on otherwise normal routes I prefer a standard numbering system.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 19, 2016 17:04:30 GMT
What do you mean by the route being made to ELT standards? The stop shelters being replaced, cats eyes being placed in the curb around bus stops. The ELT logo being placed on the bus stops. Improving the road itself and making the bus stops longer so more buses can fit in them. Stop the press - Barking & Dagenham will finally have 'improvements' to their roads lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 20:20:17 GMT
What the benefits of having these fancy bus stops on Longbridge Road?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 20:29:03 GMT
Pleased the 5 will get a bit help towards Barking - Would rather some money be saved not updating the bus stops etc but hey ho
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 19, 2016 20:34:28 GMT
What the benefits of having these fancy bus stops on Longbridge Road? Not really a huge one, it makes them slightly easier for older and disabled passengers to board. TfL still live in a fantasy that the ELT is a huge innovative Transit scheme. But I can imagine these new updated bus stops are going to cause a bit of distruption. The Westbury Road bus stop was moved about 10 meters down the road to provide a new access road to a new building site. Currently they are bringing the stop up to ELT standard by raising the curb and putting in cats eyes and they've needed to have a contraflow in place as the work can't be done with two way traffic. It's kept the area at a standstill especially in the peaks.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 19, 2016 21:35:42 GMT
What the benefits of having these fancy bus stops on Longbridge Road? Not really a huge one, it makes them slightly easier for older and disabled passengers to board. TfL still live in a fantasy that the ELT is a huge innovative Transit scheme. But I can imagine these new updated bus stops are going to cause a bit of distruption. The Westbury Road bus stop was moved about 10 meters down the road to provide a new access road to a new building site. Currently they are bringing the stop up to ELT standard by raising the curb and putting in cats eyes and they've needed to have a contraflow in place as the work can't be done with two way traffic. It's kept the area at a standstill especially in the peaks. It is worth saying that there is a target to make 95% of all stops accessible by the end of 2016 so the stops were quite likely to be having physical works done to them anyway. For those commenting about the cost of a bit of orange and a roundel on the glass of bus shelters I doubt it adds up to much. A proportion of shelters are being replaced anyway as part of a new contract so that cost may also be covered. I suspect B&D Council don't want the "concept" of ELT diluted by a route change not having the relevant branding.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2016 7:47:20 GMT
What the benefits of having these fancy bus stops on Longbridge Road? Not really a huge one, it makes them slightly easier for older and disabled passengers to board. TfL still live in a fantasy that the ELT is a huge innovative Transit scheme. But I can imagine these new updated bus stops are going to cause a bit of distruption. The Westbury Road bus stop was moved about 10 meters down the road to provide a new access road to a new building site. Currently they are bringing the stop up to ELT standard by raising the curb and putting in cats eyes and they've needed to have a contraflow in place as the work can't be done with two way traffic. It's kept the area at a standstill especially in the peaks. But isn't more bus stops accessible round there anyway with bus stop in the grass on the pavement? Cats eyes, why not just there famous buses brand? To be honest with you, I think its a load of b-shite.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Feb 20, 2016 11:59:03 GMT
Not really a huge one, it makes them slightly easier for older and disabled passengers to board. TfL still live in a fantasy that the ELT is a huge innovative Transit scheme. But I can imagine these new updated bus stops are going to cause a bit of distruption. The Westbury Road bus stop was moved about 10 meters down the road to provide a new access road to a new building site. Currently they are bringing the stop up to ELT standard by raising the curb and putting in cats eyes and they've needed to have a contraflow in place as the work can't be done with two way traffic. It's kept the area at a standstill especially in the peaks. But isn't more bus stops accessible round there anyway with bus stop in the grass on the pavement? Cats eyes, why not just there famous buses brand? To be honest with you, I think its a load of b-sh*te. the bust stop opposite my flat on Longbridge Road recently had its paving area extended so if there's two buses at the stop you don't step off the second one on to grass.
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Post by routew15 on Feb 20, 2016 15:09:21 GMT
What the benefits of having these fancy bus stops on Longbridge Road? Not really a huge one, it makes them slightly easier for older and disabled passengers to board. TfL still live in a fantasy that the ELT is a huge innovative Transit scheme.
But I can imagine these new updated bus stops are going to cause a bit of distruption. The Westbury Road bus stop was moved about 10 meters down the road to provide a new access road to a new building site. Currently they are bringing the stop up to ELT standard by raising the curb and putting in cats eyes and they've needed to have a contraflow in place as the work can't be done with two way traffic. It's kept the area at a standstill especially in the peaks. Well to be fair to TfL they did win an award from The Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA) for architectural design of part of the ELT infrastructure. I look forward to seeing the driver facilities at Becontree Heath receiving "A green roof", "Low flush toilets and waterless urinals" and maybe even "Sun pipes", but I'm not going to hold my breath . To be honest the fact that part of the ELT even exist is something, lets not forget at the time of its construct the newly elected Mayor of London was cutting projects left, left and centre. So to have all ELT bus shelter with ground illuminations or bus lanes with sensor technology is better than what was there before. However, I do think TfL should of come back to the scheme and upgraded parts of the existing route, for example, sections of Ilford Lane becoming bus only, the ELT fleet converting to hybrid/ virtual electric or full EV and the removal of centre lane hatching to allow more or longer bus lanes to be constructed. I don't know if I would use the word innovative but I definitely call the ELT progressive and the right step for buses in the mid/outer sections of Greater London.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 20, 2016 17:46:49 GMT
Well to be fair to TfL they did win an award from The Royal Institute of British Architects (RIBA) for architectural design of part of the ELT infrastructure. I look forward to seeing the driver facilities at Becontree Heath receiving "A green roof", "Low flush toilets and waterless urinals" and maybe even "Sun pipes", but I'm not going to hold my breath . To be honest the fact that part of the ELT even exist is something, lets not forget at the time of its construct the newly elected Mayor of London was cutting projects left, left and centre. So to have all ELT bus shelter with ground illuminations or bus lanes with sensor technology is better than what was there before. However, I do think TfL should of come back to the scheme and upgraded parts of the existing route, for example, sections of Ilford Lane becoming bus only, the ELT fleet converting to hybrid/ virtual electric or full EV and the removal of centre lane hatching to allow more or longer bus lanes to be constructed. I don't know if I would use the word innovative but I definitely call the ELT progressive and the right step for buses in the mid/outer sections of Greater London. While I don't particularly demur from your comments I think what is telling is that when push comes to shove TfL is perfectly prepared to dilute the concept by changing the route structure and sending the vehicles along a section of road not to ELT standards. Now they are going to do the cosmetic elements but only because the council asked for it. It wasn't the original proposition. Therefore you have to wonder about TfL's commitment to ELT as a way of improving busy suburban routes. It only continued because some of the construction contracts had been signed before Boris's election otherwise it would have been canned. It is, of course, worth noting at this point that Boris killing off the DLR extension to Dagenham back in 2008 has delayed the construction of extra housing at Barking Riverside by 13 years. He killed it 2008 and the GOBLIN extension will probably arrive by 2021. Expansion of housing at B Riverside is entirely dependent on the existence of a rail link. The DLR line could have been built and in service for about 4-5 years by now. Think what an additional 8,500 homes would have done for his house building totals plus all the development that would have been triggered. An utter utter shambles.
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