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Post by routew15 on Mar 17, 2016 7:31:46 GMT
They've just only changed the Stratford map containing the 241 going to Canning Town, route 238 going 24-hour and route D8 being rerouted via Carpenters Road. It was 2014 when the D8 got rerouted.Tiles they do that bad with though, when the Kier Hardie routes returned to Canning Town, they changed to tiles a good few days before it happened. The speed of updating maps is recognised by TfL in a quite recent FOI. —Full FOI request In the age of GPS and satellite imagery it's quite refreshing that things like the spider maps and quadrant maps still exist. I'd imagine the spider maps are well used as they seem to have fought of axing, with the introduction of the more recent "bus map" (where you search for the route and a digital map of one route appears.) It must be tough as a bee in a bonnet to keep surface maps up-to-date these days with road layouts changing here, there and everywhere.
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Post by su31 on Mar 17, 2016 8:35:54 GMT
Its good to hear TFL have used their brains to do this, we were worrying about this and they usually wouldn't do this To be fair it is rare for TfL not to have sorted out bus stop flags for route changes in the week prior to the change. It is spider maps where TfL seem to be failing. The route 70 extension has still not been reflected on the relevant spider maps (or hadn't when I looked 2 days ago). There were also no advance changes on spider maps for these ELT changes. TfL used to post updated maps in advance with their start date being very clear. I, too have been disappointed by the lack of spider map updates recently. The timetable has been updated on londonbusroutes.net but long are the days when you could download from TfL or even receive a leaflet through your door!
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Post by snoggle on Mar 17, 2016 11:04:07 GMT
To be fair it is rare for TfL not to have sorted out bus stop flags for route changes in the week prior to the change. It is spider maps where TfL seem to be failing. The route 70 extension has still not been reflected on the relevant spider maps (or hadn't when I looked 2 days ago). There were also no advance changes on spider maps for these ELT changes. TfL used to post updated maps in advance with their start date being very clear. Have you forgotten the N1/47/N199 changes? That occurred on September 12th last year and as recent as February of this year, some tiles along Evelyn Road are still not in order. Err no. That will be why I said "it is rare for TfL ...." I usually manage to leave some wriggle room in what I say to avoid the usual enthusiast reaction of "oh look did you forget this?, oh look you didn't mention that etc etc"
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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2016 13:11:37 GMT
I'm disappointed that they haven't more regularly updated the 5 area maps (NE, NW, SE, SW & Central).
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 17, 2016 13:14:51 GMT
Have you forgotten the N1/47/N199 changes? That occurred on September 12th last year and as recent as February of this year, some tiles along Evelyn Road are still not in order. This was at a time when there were several changes being made to the bus network (night bus services complimenting the night tube) and saw an influx in work for the e-tiles, that came quick promptly. In hindsight, the delay could of also come from the decision on what to do with distinguishing the difference between weekend 24-hour service and weekday 24-hour service. This could of easily have effected production, as has been seen in the past human error can run rife when new signage/ information is introduced. Stops on back roads (like the one mentioned above) can easily be forgotten, those that have slipped through the net can be corrected by flagging it up to TfL via customer service. Though I do agree with all of your points, I'm a pragmatist. If the Night Tube was to fully go ahead then 20 bus routes with hundreds of tiles all over London would've had to be replaced instead of a handful of routes. I do admit it must have been difficult for LBS to be proactive with the disruptions at LU but I believe it didn't affect the outcome that greatly. The 238's tiles were replaced well before the start date; I mention this as TfL said some bus changes were to happen irrespective of the Night Tube not starting on time. So my question is this: given that SEL changes were somewhat etched in as mandatory, why was it that stretch saw the most amount of errors? "It's over 20 miles of tiles to replace" "It was a big job for contractors so there were bound to be some errors" Balderdash!! Had we received the revolutionary service from LT months ago...well I'm a pragmatist not a pessimist. Unfortunately given the tiles failure along the 47 corridor, both personas will ring the same tune. And as for flagging it up to Customer Services: "Oooh TfL you missed a tile" "And 1 more tile over there" "And another tile" "And another" "Is there a job role for flagging incorrect tiles...cause guess what?!"
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Post by snoggle on Mar 18, 2016 17:14:00 GMT
TfL's Countdown page has been updated to reflect the revised EL2 route.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Mar 18, 2016 17:34:13 GMT
TfL's Countdown page has been updated to reflect the revised EL2 route. Mrs Thin Lizzy is very much looking forward to being able to get on a bus on her way to work from next week, rather than watch full 5s and some 387s sail past.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 5:52:30 GMT
I'll be the driver that only comes out once that Suns on the way down. Fat, sometimes shaves. Pays no attention to you whatsoever and stares at the wayfarer. Counting down the hours till I'm finished lol. TfL's Countdown page has been updated to reflect the revised EL2 route. Mrs Thin Lizzy is very much looking forward to being able to get on a bus on her way to work from next week, rather than watch full 5s and some 387s sail past.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 19, 2016 9:08:50 GMT
Ladies and gentlemen, WVL340 to Becontree Heath. (Sorry that I couldn't get the fleet number in shot, my phone goes iffy if it is too cold) Attachment DeletedAs of 05:18 today, the eastbound Barking Station stop had no EL2 timetable placed there; worked perfectly on Countdown though. But the common Transit stops had the previous EL2 timetable still in place with the EL1's timetable withdrawn.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Mar 19, 2016 10:57:29 GMT
I'll be the driver that only comes out once that Suns on the way down. Fat, sometimes shaves. Pays no attention to you whatsoever and stares at the wayfarer. Counting down the hours till I'm finished lol. Mrs Thin Lizzy is very much looking forward to being able to get on a bus on her way to work from next week, rather than watch full 5s and some 387s sail past. I'll be the one in the DLR uniform happy to be on his way home at that time of the day
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Post by snoggle on Mar 19, 2016 16:45:29 GMT
Have I been asleep for weeks or has the blind destination for the EL1 only very recently changed to "Barking Riverside"?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 19, 2016 17:33:33 GMT
Have I been asleep for weeks or has the blind destination for the EL1 only very recently changed to "Barking Riverside"? It's been Barking Riverside on the new blindsets which started appearing about a fortnight ago. I had a ride on the new route today, we had quite a few people waiting for 5s and just letting the EL2 go past. There was a bit of chaos at Becontree Heath Bus Station as about 6/7 buses wanted to get into stand, I did see a few 150s go down to the Heath Park Estate stand and there was an EL2 standing at the Althorne Way Bus Stop. I hate to see how it will be on Monday when the EL2 and 150 will be at their full PVRs. One really irritating thing at Becontree Heath is that the EL2 does not share common stops with the 5 But instead it shares them with the 128/150 which go in a completely different direction. It is slightly irritating as you need to make the choice of a 5 or an EL2 before you get to the bus stop.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Mar 19, 2016 17:33:51 GMT
Have I been asleep for weeks or has the blind destination for the EL1 only very recently changed to "Barking Riverside"? It change when the new white blinds were fitted. I have yo say, the new style blinds look absolutely awful, particularly the Barking Riverside one
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 17:39:34 GMT
Have I been asleep for weeks or has the blind destination for the EL1 only very recently changed to "Barking Riverside"? It's been Barking Riverside on the new blindsets which started appearing about a fortnight ago. I had a ride on the new route today, we had quite a few people waiting for 5s and just letting the EL2 go past. There was a bit of chaos at Becontree Heath Bus Station as about 6/7 buses wanted to get into stand, I did see a few 150s go down to the Heath Park Estate stand and there was an EL2 standing at the Althorne Way Bus Stop. I hate to see how it will be on Monday when the EL2 and 150 will be at their full PVRs. One really irritating thing at Becontree Heath is that the EL2 does not share common stops with the 5 But instead it shares them with the 128/150 which go in a completely different direction. It is slightly irritating as you need to make the choice of a 5 or an EL2 before you get to the bus stop. Thanks bonkers that it don't share the 5 stop I thought the whole point was to help the 5.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 19, 2016 17:43:48 GMT
Have I been asleep for weeks or has the blind destination for the EL1 only very recently changed to "Barking Riverside"? It's been Barking Riverside on the new blindsets which started appearing about a fortnight ago. I had a ride on the new route today, we had quite a few people waiting for 5s and just letting the EL2 go past. There was a bit of chaos at Becontree Heath Bus Station as about 6/7 buses wanted to get into stand, I did see a few 150s go down to the Heath Park Estate stand and there was an EL2 standing at the Althorne Way Bus Stop. I hate to see how it will be on Monday when the EL2 and 150 will be at their full PVRs. One really irritating thing at Becontree Heath is that the EL2 does not share common stops with the 5 But instead it shares them with the 128/150 which go in a completely different direction. It is slightly irritating as you need to make the choice of a 5 or an EL2 before you get to the bus stop.That's bonkers. I see from the not yet updated Spider Map that by banning people from alighting at the stand they are forced to go down the road rather than be able to walk the short distance between the 5 stop and where the EL2 could pick up if TfL could be bothered. I suspect that's a version of the Richmond Bus Station "not accessible" stop issue. Looking on Streetview TfL could fix things by creating a stop near the exit of the stand area and moving the 5 stop further long. There is plenty of space and a bus lane so no issues really.
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