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Post by rmz19 on Nov 27, 2015 13:53:30 GMT
If the 702 counts as '|1group' mentioned then in this case, from my Hyde Park Corner base: - 702 to Bracknell and 190 to Reading, 122/151/190 to Wokingham or 4C/53 to Maidenhead Conversely: - 10/73/137/C2 to Oxford Circus and 25 to Ilford - 82 to North Finchley and 263 to Barnet Hospital - 436 to Lewisham and 89 to Slade Green or 208 to Orpington - 38 to Clapton and 308 to Wanstead - 14/22/74/414 to Putney Bridge and 93 to North Cheam - 36/436 to New Cross Gate and 321 to Foots Cray - 2 to West Norwood and 468 to South Croydon At night from Hyde Park Corner: - N19 to Battersea and N44 to Sutton - 36/436 to New Cross Gate and the 321 to Foots Cray - 436 to Lewisham and N199 to St. Mary Cray - N38 to Walthamstow Central and N26 to Chingford - N73 to Tottenham and N279 to Waltham Cross - N74 to Roehampton and 85 to Kingston - 14 to Putney Heath and 93 to North Cheam If the 'furthest point of changeover from the first bus' rule does not apply then the choices at night widen: - 10/36/148/N16/N38/N73/N74 to Marble Arch and N98 to Stanmore or N207 to Uxbridge - 10/N97 to Hammersmith and N9 to Heathrow Terminal 5...it has to be two buses after all - 10/C2/N73/N137 to Oxford Circus and N3 to Bromley North or N136 to Chislehurst - N9/N97 to Trafalgar Square and N15 to Romford, N18 to Harrow Weald, N20 to Barnet Church, N26 to Chingford, N29 to Enfield, N87 to Kingston, N89 to Slade Green, N91 to Cockfosters, N109 to Croydon, N155 to Morden, N279 to Waltham Cross.
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 27, 2015 14:50:13 GMT
Could be worth a 'mention in despatches' In LT red bus days the 65 from Ealing Broadway to Leatherhead was always accepted as the longest route Happy to accept gospel on this but imagine 279 in its Smithfield - Hammond Street form wouldn't have been much shorter. I remember reading it in LT publication back in the '60's. The 279 as you say must be up there with it, I had a look at Ian Armstrong's 'Bus Routes Page' and it shows a 1958 timetable for the 65, the journey time was 1 hour 34minutes(you could double that today) a timetable for the 279 shows Smithfield to Waltham Cross as 1 hour 6 minutes. The Hammond Street extension didn't start until 1963, unfortunately it does show a timetable. Could it do the extension in 28minutes+? Sadly we'll never know
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 27, 2015 14:57:26 GMT
Happy to accept gospel on this but imagine 279 in its Smithfield - Hammond Street form wouldn't have been much shorter. I remember reading it in LT publication back in the '60's. The 279 as you say must be up there with it, I had a look at Ian Armstrong's 'Bus Routes Page' and it shows a 1958 timetable for the 65, the journey time was 1 hour 34minutes(you could double that today) a timetable for the 279 shows Smithfield to Waltham Cross as 1 hour 6 minutes. The Hammond Street extension didn't start until 1963, unfortunately it does show a timetable. Could it do the extension in 28minutes+? Sadly we'll never know As an add on, Ian Armstrong's page shows the fare tables. If a 'fare stage' in distance is considered the same distance wise on any route, the 65 had 42 'fare stages' in April 1966. the 279 to Hammond Street from Smithfield had 36 in May 1965.
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Post by l1group on Nov 27, 2015 15:07:38 GMT
If the 702 counts as '|1group' mentioned then in this case, from my Hyde Park Corner base: - 702 to Bracknell and 190 to Reading, 122/151/190 to Wokingham or 4C/53 to Maidenhead A tad late on those routes after Bracknell! To be honest, annoyingly, the 702 actually passes my base in London (right in front of it, as well!), so yeah... It's now the 4/X4 (if you want further, use the 4, it takes longer) to Reading. Going the long way to Maidenhead after all isn't that bad. There is also the 94/194 to Camberley (194 is longer, but way less comfortable - i.e. a poorly Optare Solo). Yep, no First Bracknell.
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Post by l1group on Nov 27, 2015 15:16:31 GMT
For me, where I live (Coventry): 900 to Birmingham, then erm... X51 to Cannock? If not, 48 to Leicester, Skylink to Derby From my London base: 27/267/H91 to Hammersmith, 702 to Bracknell And for those who think the 702 isn't a bus route (it is) - the E3 to Greenford, 282 to Mount Vernon Hospital. For the West Midlands can't you hop on a First 144 to Worcester or Arriva 110 to Tamworth in central Brum? Unfortunately the good old days of Midland Red Expresses to places far and wide are long gone. Darn, forgot about that! Well, the furthest with NXWM is what I listed! I still have no idea where in Birmingham City Centre does the 144 stop! I could go to Banbury, with the X15/X16/X18 connecting via Stratford-upon-Avon to the 50A to Banbury (the 50 does Chipping Norton).
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Post by rmz19 on Nov 27, 2015 18:06:02 GMT
If the 702 counts as '|1group' mentioned then in this case, from my Hyde Park Corner base: - 702 to Bracknell and 190 to Reading, 122/151/190 to Wokingham or 4C/53 to Maidenhead A tad late on those routes after Bracknell! To be honest, annoyingly, the 702 actually passes my base in London (right in front of it, as well!), so yeah... It's now the 4/X4 (if you want further, use the 4, it takes longer) to Reading. Going the long way to Maidenhead after all isn't that bad. There is also the 94/194 to Camberley (194 is longer, but way less comfortable - i.e. a poorly Optare Solo). Yep, no First Bracknell. Ah right, I must've been looking at an old map of bus routes in Bracknell, of course it doesn't help that I've never been there before lol, thanks for the info.
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Post by thesquirrels on Nov 27, 2015 19:09:09 GMT
Happy to accept gospel on this but imagine 279 in its Smithfield - Hammond Street form wouldn't have been much shorter. I remember reading it in LT publication back in the '60's. The 279 as you say must be up there with it, I had a look at Ian Armstrong's 'Bus Routes Page' and it shows a 1958 timetable for the 65, the journey time was 1 hour 34minutes(you could double that today) a timetable for the 279 shows Smithfield to Waltham Cross as 1 hour 6 minutes. The Hammond Street extension didn't start until 1963, unfortunately it does show a timetable. Could it do the extension in 28minutes+? Sadly we'll never know I had a look at the LB history page for the 279 out of curiosity as the 66 minute running time seemed a bit optimistic. Is in fact true but only for first/last journeys. Noting from the route 65 page that 94 mins is an early/late measurement too, a pity more comprehensive timetables weren't available as the comparative running times (both between routes and compared today) would be of great interest to me. If you go onto flickr and have a look for a user called 'Chupaman' he has a wealth of timetables uploaded, mostly from the 1980s, when timetable details were mostly more comprehensive. Interesting to see routes like the 290 run Hammersmith - Staines in traffic conditions a bit closer to todays (90+ minutes in peaks). And a 1722 weekday departure from Smithfield on the 279 in 1982 did the run through to Hammond Street in 1h46.
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 27, 2015 19:29:15 GMT
I remember reading it in LT publication back in the '60's. The 279 as you say must be up there with it, I had a look at Ian Armstrong's 'Bus Routes Page' and it shows a 1958 timetable for the 65, the journey time was 1 hour 34minutes(you could double that today) a timetable for the 279 shows Smithfield to Waltham Cross as 1 hour 6 minutes. The Hammond Street extension didn't start until 1963, unfortunately it does show a timetable. Could it do the extension in 28minutes+? Sadly we'll never know I had a look at the LB history page for the 279 out of curiosity as the 66 minute running time seemed a bit optimistic. Is in fact true but only for first/last journeys. Noting from the route 65 page that 94 mins is an early/late measurement too, a pity more comprehensive timetables weren't available as the comparative running times (both between routes and compared today) would be of great interest to me. If you go onto flickr and have a look for a user called 'Chupaman' he has a wealth of timetables uploaded, mostly from the 1980s, when timetable details were mostly more comprehensive. Interesting to see routes like the 290 run Hammersmith - Staines in traffic conditions a bit closer to todays (90+ minutes in peaks). And a 1722 weekday departure from Smithfield on the 279 in 1982 did the run through to Hammond Street in 1h46. Thanks for the update
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