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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 13:14:28 GMT
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 29, 2020 14:02:08 GMT
Can see this going to court as a lot of the issues were down to National Rail and cancellation of infrastructure improvements they were told to assume we're delivered on time in the tender document.
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Post by snowman on Jan 29, 2020 14:34:06 GMT
Can see this going to court as a lot of the issues were down to National Rail and cancellation of infrastructure improvements they were told to assume we're delivered on time in the tender document. Arriva statement on loss of Northern Looks like they are blaming cancelled imfrastructure projects and strikes for making it undeliverable
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 29, 2020 17:35:09 GMT
I think the difference is that the Conservatives will look to caretake the franchise until they can find another company or consortium to take it on. If Jeremy Corbyn were in charge he would simply keep the franchises in state ownership and not put them out to tender. Sad, but true... Northern by Arriva was known as Arriva Northern during its last tenure, which was riven with strike action (around 2001)... that was terminated as well. But there are so many either giving profit warnings as if they may not cope the length of the franchise, or the service is awful, such as South Western Railway. Perhaps they would struggle to woo a similar private firm when the time comes if being sacked off a franchise is fresh in their memory It is a mess. One franchise went GNER, to Virgin, to East Coast (government run), to Virgin, to LNER (government run)... it looks as if most of the franchises will need some sort of intervention soon. Perhaps they will bring them all back under BR, and have a TfL style system of private firms running services under a preferred livery on shorter contracts National Express ran the East Coast franchise from 2007 to 2009, not Virgin that time although they did bid for it
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Post by SILENCED on Jan 29, 2020 17:45:09 GMT
I think the difference is that the Conservatives will look to caretake the franchise until they can find another company or consortium to take it on. If Jeremy Corbyn were in charge he would simply keep the franchises in state ownership and not put them out to tender. Sad, but true... Northern by Arriva was known as Arriva Northern during its last tenure, which was riven with strike action (around 2001)... that was terminated as well. But there are so many either giving profit warnings as if they may not cope the length of the franchise, or the service is awful, such as South Western Railway. Perhaps they would struggle to woo a similar private firm when the time comes if being sacked off a franchise is fresh in their memory It is a mess. One franchise went GNER, to Virgin, to East Coast (government run), to Virgin, to LNER (government run)... it looks as if most of the franchises will need some sort of intervention soon. Perhaps they will bring them all back under BR, and have a TfL style system of private firms running services under a preferred livery on shorter contracts The issue as far as I can make at is bidders are advised to assume a lot of assumptions when bidding ... most of which is a best case scenario, and seems very rarely meetable ... think DfT are going to have to lower expectations as to what is achievable in one franchise term.
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 29, 2020 18:07:12 GMT
Sad, but true... Northern by Arriva was known as Arriva Northern during its last tenure, which was riven with strike action (around 2001)... that was terminated as well. But there are so many either giving profit warnings as if they may not cope the length of the franchise, or the service is awful, such as South Western Railway. Perhaps they would struggle to woo a similar private firm when the time comes if being sacked off a franchise is fresh in their memory It is a mess. One franchise went GNER, to Virgin, to East Coast (government run), to Virgin, to LNER (government run)... it looks as if most of the franchises will need some sort of intervention soon. Perhaps they will bring them all back under BR, and have a TfL style system of private firms running services under a preferred livery on shorter contracts National Express ran the East Coast franchise from 2007 to 2009, not Virgin that time although they did bid for it Had totally forgotten NXEC - Thanks for reminding me There's been so many franchisees it's hard to keep track I wouldn't trust the government to franchise a branch of KFC Like Katie Price had with her children, they're going to run out of sensible names for this next concession Arriva will bounce back, they still have Spurs' shirt sponsorship in the bag for August as clubs are advised to move to more responsible firms rather than casino and betting outfits
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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 29, 2020 19:24:24 GMT
Can see this going to court as a lot of the issues were down to National Rail and cancellation of infrastructure improvements they were told to assume we're delivered on time in the tender document. Arriva statement on loss of Northern Looks like they are blaming cancelled imfrastructure projects and strikes for making it undeliverable And that's exactly why it has become undeliverable in the view of the government. What an absolutely ridiculous decision by the Department for Transport as per the reasons I mentioned in my rant on the last page. Stripping Northern of the franchise will not solve anything, certainly in a hurry. Network Rail (run by the DfT themselves!!) and the unions are to blame here. I was listening to an interview by Grant Shapps on Sky News earlier saying he was a frustrated commuter who won't put up with trains not running on time, and whilst this is an acceptable view to have it comes from someone who appears to have no idea how the railways actually run. It's all good and well saying you want the trains to run on time but you have to make the infrastructure cope and deliver the necessary upgrades in order for the trains to run on time! The Government should have accelerated upgrade schemes in the north, such as the Castlefield Corridor upgrade, electrification across the TransPennine route and improvement works around Leeds and the North East rather than blame Northern for these issues. Northern also had delays with their new Class 195 and 331's as well as receiving stock from elsewhere and again the reason why the Pacers haven't gone yet is beyond their control. The refurbs of their trains though have been rather rushed but this again is to get the fleet to comply with the PRM regulations. What was interesting to hear from Shapps though was that the staff were not treated well and working conditions were poor, but this again could have been something that the Government could have worked with Northern to improve. He also mentioned the cleanliness of Northern's trains were an issue which is true but this again is in relation to the ageing fleet that Northern inherited and are trying to renew and replace. They have one of the largest and most complex fleets in the country. This certainly isn't the right way to go for Northern or the government for that matter as not only do they take on the financial burden of running such a big franchise but it plays into the hands of their opponents who wanted the railways renationalised, like Labour. Funny that I mention Labour as I happened to bump into Jeremy Corbyn on a CrossCountry Voyager between Sheffield and Wakefield Westgate on Saturday and was sat a few rows behind him .
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 29, 2020 20:14:50 GMT
And that's exactly why it has become undeliverable in the view of the government. What an absolutely ridiculous decision by the Department for Transport as per the reasons I mentioned in my rant on the last page. Stripping Northern of the franchise will not solve anything, certainly in a hurry. Network Rail (run by the DfT themselves!!) and the unions are to blame here. I was listening to an interview by Grant Shapps on Sky News earlier saying he was a frustrated commuter who won't put up with trains not running on time, and whilst this is an acceptable view to have it comes from someone who appears to have no idea how the railways actually run. It's all good and well saying you want the trains to run on time but you have to make the infrastructure cope and deliver the necessary upgrades in order for the trains to run on time! The Government should have accelerated upgrade schemes in the north, such as the Castlefield Corridor upgrade, electrification across the TransPennine route and improvement works around Leeds and the North East rather than blame Northern for these issues. Northern also had delays with their new Class 195 and 331's as well as receiving stock from elsewhere and again the reason why the Pacers haven't gone yet is beyond their control. The refurbs of their trains though have been rather rushed but this again is to get the fleet to comply with the PRM regulations. What was interesting to hear from Shapps though was that the staff were not treated well and working conditions were poor, but this again could have been something that the Government could have worked with Northern to improve. He also mentioned the cleanliness of Northern's trains were an issue which is true but this again is in relation to the ageing fleet that Northern inherited and are trying to renew and replace. They have one of the largest and most complex fleets in the country. This certainly isn't the right way to go for Northern or the government for that matter as not only do they take on the financial burden of running such a big franchise but it plays into the hands of their opponents who wanted the railways renationalised, like Labour. Funny that I mention Labour as I happened to bump into Jeremy Corbyn on a CrossCountry Voyager between Sheffield and Wakefield Westgate on Saturday and was sat a few rows behind him . Ah, Jeremy finally found a seat on the train then. I don't think Arriva could carry on the franchise hence re-nationalisation. It was on the brink and the only options were to renegotiate the contract or to take it under OLR control. The renegotiation didn't work out politically and you'd probably upset Stagecoach if you renegotiated the contract because they got stripped of East Coast. I think for the same reason it's just a matter of time until SWR end up back under DfT control again. The current system is not working and something needs to be done about it.
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Post by ServerKing on Jan 30, 2020 23:20:20 GMT
Joke Found on children's lollipop stick:- Q: What do Northern Rail and early Touchscreen monitors have in common? A: Problems with drivers.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 2, 2020 17:42:12 GMT
It was odd that Arriva could not manage Northern timetables and staff rosters effectively, given that they are part of established rail operator Deutsche Bahn.
By the way, both nationalised operators, LNER and Northern, will link Doncaster and Leeds.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 23, 2020 0:41:39 GMT
Many Northern trains have lost the "by arriva" below northern on the insignia.
I rode a TPE class 802 to Manchester Victoria this morning. I saw the pantograph being lowered, but then the train was going to run in diesel mode as far as Leeds if not indeed York.
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 23, 2020 1:01:48 GMT
Many Northern trains have lost the "by arriva" below northern on the insignia. I rode a TPE class 802 to Manchester Victoria this morning. I saw the pantograph being lowered, but then the train was going to run in diesel mode as far as Leeds if not indeed York. It runs in diesel mode between Manchester Victoria and York. There are wires at Leeds but these only run as far as the junction near Cottingley and Neville Hill Depot. I had two TPE 802's between Huddersfield and Leeds today, these are fantastic trains, so much better than the 185's they replace. They seem to do a very good job at soaking up the crowds at Leeds too which often build up. What baffles me however is that despite the fact that all units have been in service, there are still one or two Newcastle to Manchester Airport diagrams that still remain 185's. Wonder when these will convert? Speaking of 185's, one of them broke down at Mirfield yesterday afternoon whilst en route to Manchester Airport causing huge disruption. I can imagine people who had a flight to catch onboard that train had missed their flights! I've also noticed that Northern have been stripping the Arriva logo from their trains, seems to me as if the current Northern brand is being retained by the operator of last resort?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Feb 23, 2020 1:16:46 GMT
Many Northern trains have lost the "by arriva" below northern on the insignia. I rode a TPE class 802 to Manchester Victoria this morning. I saw the pantograph being lowered, but then the train was going to run in diesel mode as far as Leeds if not indeed York. It runs in diesel mode between Manchester Victoria and York. There are wires at Leeds but these only run as far as the junction near Cottingley and Neville Hill Depot. I had two TPE 802's between Huddersfield and Leeds today, these are fantastic trains, so much better than the 185's they replace. They seem to do a very good job at soaking up the crowds at Leeds too which often build up. What baffles me however is that despite the fact that all units have been in service, there are still one or two Newcastle to Manchester Airport diagrams that still remain 185's. Wonder when these will convert? Speaking of 185's, one of them broke down at Mirfield yesterday afternoon whilst en route to Manchester Airport causing huge disruption. I can imagine people who had a flight to catch onboard that train had missed their flights! I've also noticed that Northern have been stripping the Arriva logo from their trains, seems to me as if the current Northern brand is being retained by the operator of last resort? I think the final 802s have yet to enter service. It has taken time for TPE to type-train all the crews. The curent northern brand probably will be retained. I think I saw on railforums that the refurbishment programme will continue too.
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Post by YY13VKP on Feb 23, 2020 1:32:16 GMT
It runs in diesel mode between Manchester Victoria and York. There are wires at Leeds but these only run as far as the junction near Cottingley and Neville Hill Depot. I had two TPE 802's between Huddersfield and Leeds today, these are fantastic trains, so much better than the 185's they replace. They seem to do a very good job at soaking up the crowds at Leeds too which often build up. What baffles me however is that despite the fact that all units have been in service, there are still one or two Newcastle to Manchester Airport diagrams that still remain 185's. Wonder when these will convert? Speaking of 185's, one of them broke down at Mirfield yesterday afternoon whilst en route to Manchester Airport causing huge disruption. I can imagine people who had a flight to catch onboard that train had missed their flights! I've also noticed that Northern have been stripping the Arriva logo from their trains, seems to me as if the current Northern brand is being retained by the operator of last resort? I think the final 802s have yet to enter service. It has taken time for TPE to type-train all the crews. The curent northern brand probably will be retained. I think I saw on railforums that the refurbishment programme will continue too. All units have been in service at least once. The last one to enter service was 802205 in late January. Type training has been ongoing since February last year so I would be surprised if this is still ongoing. They do seem to suffer from door faults quite often though.
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Post by T.R. on Mar 1, 2020 11:53:48 GMT
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