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Post by COBO on Jun 8, 2016 3:10:46 GMT
UpdateFollowing the consultation in Jan / Feb of this year TfL have decided to proceed with the changes to be introduced as of 10 September 2016 (start date of the new contract) A large 77 per cent of respondents supported or partially supported the 483 but only 47% gave full support to the curtailment of the 83 Just when you thought the 226 was not going to be mentioned, it is made to be an alternative to an indirect route when it is no more direct itself Ohhh and look out for the 'Bus Hoppers' first appearance (mention) in TfL documentation.
It's a shame the 226 can't use double deckers because when the 83 is removed from Ealing I predict that it will become more busy than it already is.
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Post by thewintersoldier on Jun 8, 2016 5:53:31 GMT
UpdateFollowing the consultation in Jan / Feb of this year TfL have decided to proceed with the changes to be introduced as of 10 September 2016 (start date of the new contract) A large 77 per cent of respondents supported or partially supported the 483 but only 47% gave full support to the curtailment of the 83 Just when you thought the 226 was not going to be mentioned, it is made to be an alternative to an indirect route when it is no more direct itself Ohhh and look out for the 'Bus Hoppers' first appearance (mention) in TfL documentation.
It's a shame the 226 can't use double deckers because when the 83 is removed from Ealing I predict that it will become more busy than it already is. Would be interesting to know figures on how many people use the 226 from Golders Green to Hanger Lane and Beyond.
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Post by routew15 on Jun 9, 2016 7:44:53 GMT
UpdateFollowing the consultation in Jan / Feb of this year TfL have decided to proceed with the changes to be introduced as of 10 September 2016 (start date of the new contract) A large 77 per cent of respondents supported or partially supported the 483 but only 47% gave full support to the curtailment of the 83 Just when you thought the 226 was not going to be mentioned, it is made to be an alternative to an indirect route when it is no more direct itself Ohhh and look out for the 'Bus Hoppers' first appearance (mention) in TfL documentation.
It's a shame the 226 can't use double deckers because when the 83 is removed from Ealing I predict that it will become more busy than it already is. I can see why you'd think that will happen on the 226 however I think it will cope. The 226 is probably slightly faster than the 83 is to reach the places it serves in common, so any one travelling between Golders Green - Hanger Lane and beyond could already be using the 226.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 13:35:24 GMT
They had to do something with the 83, it was getting ridiculous if it isn't already. Agree with the consultation but curious about TfL's response to the driver change at Alperton causing delays on the 83. They say that they won't happen at the station bus stop any more but what about the 483 (one would assume the allocation would be at Alperton garage?)
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Post by COBO on Jun 23, 2016 13:46:09 GMT
They had to do something with the 83, it was getting ridiculous if it isn't already. Agree with the consultation but curious about TfL's response to the driver change at Alperton causing delays on the 83. They say that they won't happen at the station bus stop any more but what about the 483 (one would assume the allocation would be at Alperton garage?) The 483 is going to Alperton garage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2016 14:03:34 GMT
They had to do something with the 83, it was getting ridiculous if it isn't already. Agree with the consultation but curious about TfL's response to the driver change at Alperton causing delays on the 83. They say that they won't happen at the station bus stop any more but what about the 483 (one would assume the allocation would be at Alperton garage?) The 483 is going to Alperton garage. Thanks for clarifying, so there would still be driver changeovers at the station bus stop, causing the delays that TfL said would no longer happen when the 83 curtails. I must be missing something
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Post by COBO on Jun 23, 2016 14:11:57 GMT
The 483 is going to Alperton garage. Thanks for clarifying, so there would still be driver changeovers at the station bus stop, causing the delays that TfL said would no longer happen when the 83 curtails. I must be missing something I presume the drive changeovers will be done at Station bus stop. I don't think that the changeover can be done else where.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 9, 2016 15:34:16 GMT
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Post by l1group on Sept 10, 2016 5:40:38 GMT
First night of the N83: decent, however one driver decided it was good to blind their bus for the 83. Yeah... (here is a properly blinded last southbound of the morning - www.flickr.com/photos/wltmauc/29496589421/ ) First morning of the 483: There is some confusion with some passengers who asked the driver where the route went, but otherwise it's so far, so good (here is the first ever bus on the 483 - www.flickr.com/photos/wltmauc/28951522294 )
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Post by snowman on Sept 10, 2016 5:43:14 GMT
It appears both 83 and 483 are using existing fleet buses. Per LVF at 06:30
83 has 6 buses, 5 are ex-First 59-reg VW17xx and a 12-reg VW1269 483 has 7 buses, 5 are ex- First 59-reg VW17xx and 2 12-reg VW12xx
No new buses yet for new contract, and both routes with 100% diesel buses Wasn't the contract for hybrids ? Or has TfL downgraded since announcing tender award like it did for 117
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2016 6:46:57 GMT
It appears both 83 and 483 are using existing fleet buses. Per LVF at 06:30 83 has 6 buses, 5 are ex-First 59-reg VW17xx and a 12-reg VW1269 483 has 7 buses, 5 are ex- First 59-reg VW17xx and 2 12-reg VW12xx No new buses yet for new contract, and both routes with 100% diesel buses Wasn't the contract for hybrids ? Or has TfL downgraded since announcing tender award like it did for 117 The contract of the 483 was awarded with part hybrids and part existing diesel buses but the contract has been downgraded to 100 % existing diesels and the hybrids for the 483 have been diverted to top up the 182. I think that kinds of disappointing I think a route like the 483 deserves hybrids.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2016 8:42:15 GMT
It appears both 83 and 483 are using existing fleet buses. Per LVF at 06:30 83 has 6 buses, 5 are ex-First 59-reg VW17xx and a 12-reg VW1269 483 has 7 buses, 5 are ex- First 59-reg VW17xx and 2 12-reg VW12xx No new buses yet for new contract, and both routes with 100% diesel buses Wasn't the contract for hybrids ? Or has TfL downgraded since announcing tender award like it did for 117 The 483's contract has been altered to full VW operation instead of part existing diesel, part new hybrid whilst the 83 was awarded with existing diesel. The 83 is continuing with its own batch but at a reduced number whilst the 483 is allocated leftover VW's from the 83 along with the ex HD & HT VW's.
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Post by Hassaan on Sept 10, 2016 9:00:29 GMT
Yesterday I went on the full 83 from Ealing Hospital to Golders Green with VW1770. I left at around 1440 and the trip was booked for 88 minutes. It actually ended up taking 111 minutes and I don't recall there being a lot of traffic. Driver was quite fast too. That is the longest I've been on the same bus anywhere, beating the previous record by 25 minutes. Note that it doesn't include coaches! Before I went on it, an enthusiast that had never been on the route claimed that even 63 minutes (that late evening trips are booked for) was too much running time… no surprise that he came up with that nonsense though.
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Post by vjaska on Sept 10, 2016 10:34:53 GMT
Yesterday I went on the full 83 from Ealing Hospital to Golders Green with VW1770. I left at around 1440 and the trip was booked for 88 minutes. It actually ended up taking 111 minutes and I don't recall there being a lot of traffic. Driver was quite fast too. That is the longest I've been on the same bus anywhere, beating the previous record by 25 minutes. Note that it doesn't include coaches! Before I went on it, an enthusiast that had never been on the route claimed that even 63 minutes (that late evening trips are booked for) was too much running time… no surprise that he came up with that nonsense though. It used to take roughly the time it took you with traffic back in the days of the VNL's, VNW's & VNZ's. The 25 took me a good 120 minutes end to end earlier this year.
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Post by COBO on Sept 10, 2016 10:57:20 GMT
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