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Post by snoggle on Jan 13, 2016 18:04:57 GMT
Looking forward to watching the replies to the question. Not so much looking forward to the over exaggerated noise that Mr Dissmore will make when he asks them. (Have to turn down me tablet when he comes on ) They're for written answer only so no noise abatement needed.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2016 1:18:48 GMT
If these cuts go through, I reckon metroline would operate them commercially. Maybe not at current frequencies though.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 14, 2016 2:17:29 GMT
If these cuts go through, I reckon metroline would operate them commercially. Maybe not at current frequencies though. Nor at TfL fares or with Oyster acceptance - as per route 84/84A. Not sure they'd be quite as popular as they are now and I can't see Metroline taking them all on. They might do something like Edgware to Borehamwood and TfL might reroute the 107 so it avoids Herts (via Barnet Way and Stirling Corner) but still links Edgware and Barnet. It certainly can't ignore Arkley for example. Metroline or whoever can then decide how to serve Elstree and Borehamwood. Based on what Herts does fund there then service levels would be pretty sparse. The bizarre thing is that Elstree and Borehamwood station is actually in fare zone 6 despite clearly being in Hertfordshire - a rare exception if we ignore the Met Line zones and LU's decision to shove the East end of the Central Line into Zone 6 many years ago.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 28, 2016 0:11:43 GMT
Mayor's Questions and Answers about the possible Herts budget cut. Note there is just one answer from the Mayor to all three questions.
You will not the lack of any commitment other than to the residents of Arkley. You will also note that TfL's funding outlook will also be part of the outlook. Something tells me that if HCC do cut the funding then we will see some service reductions on cross boundary routes.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 26, 2016 15:15:44 GMT
Yet another Mayor's Question and Answer but note the change in tone about HCC's funding being "significant" and suggesting there will have to be a review and changes that will require consultation. Looks like that axe is being sharpened.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2016 15:24:25 GMT
Frankly this whole boundary stuff annoys me no end. They are all strategic routes that have existed for years based on firm demand both existing and projected. There may be scope for a reduction in frequency at off peak times but whether that actually saves money is debatable. Things that cross these invisible boundary lines on a map are a bureaucrats dream. But for people living near or on them they're a pain in the backside.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 26, 2016 15:30:40 GMT
Yet another Mayor's Question and Answer but note the change in tone about HCC's funding being "significant" and suggesting there will have to be a review and changes that will require consultation. Looks like that axe is being sharpened. Mr pedantic here - why is the 292 a concern to Harrow Council when it doesn't run through their borough at all. The 107 serves a tiny part of Harrow on Brockley Hill by Royal National Orthapedic Hospital whilst the 142 & 258 serve large parts of the borough of Harrow.
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Post by thesquirrels on Feb 26, 2016 20:58:17 GMT
Yet another Mayor's Question and Answer but note the change in tone about HCC's funding being "significant" and suggesting there will have to be a review and changes that will require consultation. Looks like that axe is being sharpened. Mr pedantic here - why is the 292 a concern to Harrow Council when it doesn't run through their borough at all. The 107 serves a tiny part of Harrow on Brockley Hill by Royal National Orthapedic Hospital whilst the 142 & 258 serve large parts of the borough of Harrow. My money is on the fact that regardless of authority boundaries, Edgware serves as a town centre to a significant area of LB Harrow and results in an unusually large cross-border flow, much in the same way that Waltham Cross town centre (Broxbo) is the main town centre in from Enfield Wash and Bullsmoor (LB Enfield). I would think at least 2,000 homes on LB Harrow side of the A5 are within walking distance of the bordering stretches of each route, and in many cases the 107/292 will be either the closest bus service to their front doors (or among the services on the closest bus-served road, at least). So I think the council are justified in having their say.
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Post by rmz19 on Feb 27, 2016 2:57:48 GMT
Frankly this whole boundary stuff annoys me no end. They are all strategic routes that have existed for years based on firm demand both existing and projected. There may be scope for a reduction in frequency at off peak times but whether that actually saves money is debatable. Things that cross these invisible boundary lines on a map are a bureaucrats dream. But for people living near or on them they're a pain in the backside. This is pathetic, it may sound ridiculous but this 'boundary' should be positioned way out and hover around the M25, crossing the orbital marginally in a few areas i.e. Waltham Cross and Potters Bar to accommodate all suburban bus routes, with the exception of cross-border routes. Or better yet, abolish it completely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2016 4:39:34 GMT
Its reasonable to expect TFL buses in some cases to travel a mile or so beyond the border to facilitate those tax paying Londoners living on the border who would otherwise get a less useful one sided service.
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 27, 2016 6:42:46 GMT
TfL could have used the money it's just blown on 195 EXTRA LTs to fund some of these routes under threat if Herts CC are unable to do so...
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Post by sid on Feb 27, 2016 8:23:14 GMT
Do moans about the LT have to be bought into every thread?
I do agree though with a previous suggestion that the boundary should be the M25.
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 27, 2016 8:25:17 GMT
Do moans about the LT have to be bought into every thread? I do agree though with a previous suggestion that the boundary should be the M25. Yes, as the cost of Herts CC to fund the routes is roughly £325k, the cost of just ONE LT, so methinks TfL could cover the shortfall
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Post by sid on Feb 27, 2016 8:55:21 GMT
Do moans about the LT have to be bought into every thread? I do agree though with a previous suggestion that the boundary should be the M25. Yes, as the cost of Herts CC to fund the routes is roughly £325k, the cost of just ONE LT, so methinks TfL could cover the shortfall Of course TfL could also find the money by making reductions on over bussed sections of route but I digress
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Post by danorak on Feb 27, 2016 11:38:30 GMT
Bluntly, if Hertfordshire (and its voters) wants to benefit from TfL levels of service, then they need to stump up the cash. It's got nothing to do with how much TfL spends on LTs or levels of service elsewhere in London. Bus services in Hertfordshire are a matter for Hertfordshire and commercial bus operators. TfL could easily claim to have discharged any responsibilty to consider links to and from London through the Overground/Met services. Tactically, it would make no sense for TfL, as it loses its central government subsidy, to say 'fine, we'll pick up the tab' - they would be sending an open invitation to all the bordering counties to withdraw their funding.
As for boundaries, they have to be drawn somewhere, and the satellite towns have always been reluctant to become part of London. London levels of service may be popular, but mayoral precepts less so.
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