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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 24, 2022 12:35:41 GMT
What's to become of platform 1 at Barking when the LO uses Platform 7/8 for BR. Hammersmith and City line I believe I have no idea where that's come from but the H&C needs more than one platform and the platform isn't 4th Rail.
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Post by joefrombow on Jun 24, 2022 15:28:34 GMT
Hammersmith and City line I believe I have no idea where that's come from but the H&C needs more than one platform and the platform isn't 4th Rail. Wouldn't take a lot to convert though I imagine only a few metres of track and the power supply etc is few meters away to connect up however I think it is wishful thinking that H&C would take it over as Lon will still need the platform for engineering works , disruption etc if platform 7&8 are closed any number of reasons .
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Post by Green Kitten on Jun 24, 2022 19:13:54 GMT
Hammersmith and City line I believe I have no idea where that's come from but the H&C needs more than one platform and the platform isn't 4th Rail. No plans for LU use, and there is no need for a second platform as H&C trains reverse via the sidings. Besides, to return back to the WB District line you'd need to build a fly-under/over past the main line for the track layout to be in any way viable.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 27, 2022 22:39:27 GMT
What's to become of platform 1 at Barking when the LO uses Platform 7/8 for BR. I realised today that the track from Gospel Oak to Barking line connect onto the District line. Does any freight or engineering trains cut across this.
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Post by richard on Jun 28, 2022 0:02:27 GMT
What's to become of platform 1 at Barking when the LO uses Platform 7/8 for BR. I realised today that the track from Gospel Oak to Barking line connect onto the District line. Does any freight or engineering trains cut across this. There used to be a a connection to East ham wich I think is the one you are referring to?
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Post by Dstock7080 on Jun 28, 2022 3:04:31 GMT
I realised today that the track from Gospel Oak to Barking line connect onto the District line. Does any freight or engineering trains cut across this. There used to be a a connection to East ham wich I think is the one you are referring to? The East Ham bay road was removed many years ago. The connection at Barking does see occasional engineering train use.
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Post by snowman on Jun 28, 2022 8:03:36 GMT
What's to become of platform 1 at Barking when the LO uses Platform 7/8 for BR. I realised today that the track from Gospel Oak to Barking line connect onto the District line. Does any freight or engineering trains cut across this. When the station was rebuilt (about 60 years ago) there were a few extra connections for freight trains, long since removed. The Goblin normally terminates in platform 1, but in past has also used the flyover and terminated at platform 7 . Eastbound District uses platform 2, but there is also a platform 1a (which from its number was obviously added later). Platform 3 is a London facing bay. 4 and 5 are the Southend lines and offer cross platform interchange with District line. Platform 6 is District to London (tracks use a dive under, then a flyover so the cross platform interchange can be made. 7 and 8 are the Tilbury loop platforms, but trains from Southend line can also use them, and at West can either go towards Fenchurch Street or over the flyover towards Woodgrange Park. At one time there was a direct curve between East Ham and Woodgrange Park lines, at the end of gardens of houses in Shakespeare Cresent. The area has now been built over (Hathaway Park), so trains must have crossed onto the District line tracks in East Ham area.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 28, 2022 8:19:05 GMT
I realised today that the track from Gospel Oak to Barking line connect onto the District line. Does any freight or engineering trains cut across this. When the station was rebuilt (about 60 years ago) there were a few extra connections for freight trains, long since removed. The Goblin normally terminates in platform 1, but in past has also used the flyover and terminated at platform 7 . Eastbound District uses platform 2, but there is also a platform 1a (which from its number was obviously added later). Platform 3 is a London facing bay. 4 and 5 are the Southend lines and offer cross platform interchange with District line. Platform 6 is District to London (tracks use a dive under, then a flyover so the cross platform interchange can be made. 7 and 8 are the Tilbury loop platforms, but trains from Southend line can also use them, and at West can either go towards Fenchurch Street or over the flyover towards Woodgrange Park. At one time there was a direct curve between East Ham and Woodgrange Park lines, at the end of gardens of houses in Shakespeare Cresent. The area has now been built over (Hathaway Park), so trains must have crossed onto the District line tracks in East Ham area. Don't forget that there was a complicated relationship in this area between The London Midland Railway - which operated the London Tilbury & Southend route as well as what we now know today as the GOBLIN* - and the District Railway. Although the line was electrified as far as East Ham in 1905, and later to Barking (1908) and Upminster (1932) for District Railway services, stations between Bromley-by-Bow and Upminster Bridge remained in the control of the London Midland Railway and then British Railways/Rail until 1969 when ownership of all except Barking was transferred to London Transport. The District Line and British Railways tracks were formally segregated in the late 1950s in readiness for the electrification of the LTS route, the new Depot and signalling centre at Upminster were brought into use at this time and the curve between Woodgrange Park and East Ham was closed. * Gospel Oak has been the terminus since 1981, prior to this trains took a curve (since dismantled) to terminate at Kentish Town. This was to make way for the new Thameslink route, and required a new siding and platform (3) to be built at Gospel Oak. Trains had operated through to St Pancras and even Moorgate in the past and cruise ship trains between St Pancras and Tilbury Riverside were once a feature of this route.
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Post by enviroPB on Jun 28, 2022 9:14:44 GMT
I realised today that the track from Gospel Oak to Barking line connect onto the District line. Does any freight or engineering trains cut across this. When the station was rebuilt (about 60 years ago) there were a few extra connections for freight trains, long since removed. The Goblin normally terminates in platform 1, but in past has also used the flyover and terminated at platform 7 . Eastbound District uses platform 2, but there is also a platform 1a (which from its number was obviously added later). Platform 3 is a London facing bay. 4 and 5 are the Southend lines and offer cross platform interchange with District line. Platform 6 is District to London (tracks use a dive under, then a flyover so the cross platform interchange can be made. 7 and 8 are the Tilbury loop platforms, but trains from Southend line can also use them, and at West can either go towards Fenchurch Street or over the flyover towards Woodgrange Park. At one time there was a direct curve between East Ham and Woodgrange Park lines, at the end of gardens of houses in Shakespeare Cresent. The area has now been built over (Hathaway Park), so trains must have crossed onto the District line tracks in East Ham area. Overground trains starting service, normally in the early mornings would start at platforms 7 and 8. Conversely trains finishing service use those platforms as well, as LO trains use the sidings at c2c's East Ham depot to park up for the night.
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Post by 123ToLondon on Jul 2, 2022 9:23:14 GMT
If TFL weren't in their current situation at the moment, would it have been better to extend the H&C as you you get the direct link? Or would it have been better to make the overground station underground so in the future an extension to Thamesmead would be possible unlike if it was overground?
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 2, 2022 11:24:26 GMT
If TFL weren't in their current situation at the moment, would it have been better to extend the H&C as you you get the direct link? Or would it have been better to make the overground station underground so in the future an extension to Thamesmead would be possible unlike if it was overground? It is much simpler and cheaper to extend the Overground. Extending the H&C would have entailed extensive works at Barking which would have made the project unviable - the GOBLIN uses connections that already exist. Similar for above-ground terminus - cheaper than building under ground.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 2, 2022 12:00:53 GMT
If TFL weren't in their current situation at the moment, would it have been better to extend the H&C as you you get the direct link? Or would it have been better to make the overground station underground so in the future an extension to Thamesmead would be possible unlike if it was overground? It is much simpler and cheaper to extend the Overground. Extending the H&C would have entailed extensive works at Barking which would have made the project unviable - the GOBLIN uses connections that already exist. Similar for above-ground terminus - cheaper than building under ground. I believe the largest logistical headache with the H&C line would be getting it to go Underground, and also quite deep Underground as HS1 passes under Barking Station. You'd need to relocate the H&C platforms at Barking Underground and quite possibly the ones at East Ham too. Barking probably out of luck would be suited to have a deep level station stalled due to the presence of the subway below all the platforms but East Ham would certainly be a huge can of worms. As you already mention extending the H&C above ground would result in the entirety of Barking junction being remodelled to allow the H&C to make it to the other side of the tracks. I think in an ideal world Barking Riverside would have been built underground from the start, but looking longer term now the DLR seems to be the more obvious choice to send to Thamesmead so it might have been a clever cost saving move overall.
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Post by VMH2537 on Jul 11, 2022 5:57:44 GMT
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Post by Busboy105 on Jul 11, 2022 6:21:34 GMT
Another early TFL opening?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 11, 2022 14:20:32 GMT
London Overground: Opening date of first new stop since 2015 confirmedThe first new stop on the London Overground since 2015 will open on 18 July, its operator has confirmed.www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-london-62113739
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