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Post by snoggle on Mar 8, 2017 19:26:06 GMT
So are all 710s to be introduced at once on the GOBLIN? No but they are planned to be in service in a fairly short timescale. I looked at the train supply contract the other day and there are very detailed schedules about the timing of loads of key decisions around the train design / customer info requirements / operator input etc and then for the actual manufacturing process. There are dates for the supply of each bodyshell and later aspects of construction as well as the dates they are due into service - three during December 2017. I think all 8 are supposed to be in service by end of Feb 2018. I can't remember whether the Watford Line or West Anglia comes next in the delivery and commissioning sequence. Obviously there are dependencies here on what the operator has to do by way of providing space for the training simulator, releasing staff for training, securing test train paths etc etc. If these run late then life gets complicated as to the scale of any resultant delay imposed on the manufacturer. Furthermore Network Rail are also "in the mix" but are not a party to the train supply contract. As ever the respective contract managers will be keeping track of who is doing what and when in the event of the inevitable delays and arguments.
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Post by routew15 on Jun 1, 2017 0:07:28 GMT
Attachment DeletedEvery Sunday from this Sunday until July 23 rd will see a full closure. These works are scandalous, is there even an approximate end date... Is it to late for a refund on the whole project..?
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Post by snoggle on Jun 1, 2017 9:51:23 GMT
View AttachmentEvery Sunday from this Sunday until July 23 rd will see a full closure. These works are scandalous, is there even an approximate end date... Is it to late for a refund on the whole project..? Eh? OK yes the blockade works were a cock up in terms of electrification work. However bridges were replaced, tracks lowered and platforms extended / refurbed. We have many more weekend closures to come and a likely blockade due to a late decision that the bridge at Crouch Hill has to be raised to provide sufficient clearance. There is no completion date in the public arena nor info on blockades because of purdah. Expect to see something once the election is out of the way. There will be all the usual "huffing and puffing" from politicians once the user group has prodded them with a big stick. I just want NR to now get on with it and get it finished rather than talk about refunds which rather suggests you'd like everything left as it is and for people to walk away. That's no solution at all. If we don't get this work done then it will never, ever happen again. It took years and years of batting to get the scheme funded in the first place. The "anti electrification" bods at the DfT have gained influence again - partly off the back of NR's poor delivery performance. However if a country does no electrification work for 20+ years and rips up its railway industry structure and loses whatever experience there was is it any shock that a massive learning curve is required when you do restart works? The country only has itself to blame for voting for ludicrous badly thought out policies like railway privatisation in the first place. It wrought enormous damage on the railway operating and engineering expertise that BR had accumulated over 40 years. NR need an electrified railway in place by the Autumn so that Arriva can start testing the class 710s - assuming they remain on schedule and we've heard nothing about them for months. All the glitz is about the 345s for Crossrail. Trying to bring new trains into service during Winter is a bit of a fool's errand if you ask me but that's what TfL and Arriva have to do. We have a few months more pain and anguish in order to give us a proper railway fit for the next few decades. That's worth having.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jun 1, 2017 19:20:42 GMT
View AttachmentEvery Sunday from this Sunday until July 23 rd will see a full closure. These works are scandalous, is there even an approximate end date... Is it to late for a refund on the whole project..? Why do they not just close it for the whole weekend. What's with 5 Sundays and the 3 weekends? There probably is some logistical reason, but I hope its not to minimise disruption to passengers by keeping Saturdays open for a while. It would reduce confusion if they just got on with it.
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Post by snoggle on Jun 1, 2017 23:01:10 GMT
View AttachmentEvery Sunday from this Sunday until July 23 rd will see a full closure. These works are scandalous, is there even an approximate end date... Is it to late for a refund on the whole project..? Why do they not just close it for the whole weekend. What's with 5 Sundays and the 3 weekends? There probably is some logistical reason, but I hope its not to minimise disruption to passengers by keeping Saturdays open for a while. It would reduce confusion if they just got on with it. The reason is pretty simple - NR have to retain freight path access across North London to give access to Thameside ports. If you look at the planned closure list you will see that the GEML is closed on Saturdays due to Crossrail works. The GOBLIN is closed on Sundays but the GEML / NLL is open again. The need to finish a load of work for Crossrail between Feb and June and reconstruct Hackney Wick station is why the GOBLIN reopened again in February. NR could not delay the GEML / Hackney works but had to maintain freight paths.
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Post by routew15 on Jun 30, 2017 6:05:08 GMT
710 unit at Derby under construction
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Post by snowman on Jun 30, 2017 7:51:05 GMT
710 unit at Derby under construction Thanks Order is 30 for West Anglia, 1 for Romford-Upminster, 8 for Goblin, 6 for Watford DC lines (releasing 6 to East London line) Two subfleets: 31 a.c. only with mixed seat types; 14 dual voltage, transverse seating only Also have options to lengthen from 4 to 5 car
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 2, 2017 15:23:04 GMT
I may have missed this, but when did the Rail Replacement Service T divert via East Ham? I read this on TfL website and thought it was a mistake but when I rode it today, was mildly surprised it was not a mistake. Whats the point of that? It would make sense if the service terminated there, and everybody was forced to take the tube one stop to Barking (a bit like the one stop gap between Walthamstow Central and Tottenham).
Furthermore, to my frustration the typical routing to Barking from East Ham is much longer than the previous routing (and it was rather traffic free as well). My driver made thing worse by crawling between East Ham and Barking. I mean it was a joke, and many passengers showed their anger. Seriously, normal services stopping regularly were pulling away from us. I understand running to a time, but surely it does not matter how long it takes to get from the penultimate stop to the last stop, no one is coming on in Barking. I know you do not want to have too many buses in Barking, but whenever has that been an issue for RR services. It was Sunday as well, so the gap between the buses is considerable. Absolute joke.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jul 2, 2017 15:38:48 GMT
I may have missed this, but when did the Rail Replacement Service T divert via East Ham? I read this on TfL website and thought it was a mistake but when I rode it today, was mildly surprised it was not a mistake. Whats the point of that? It would make sense if the service terminated there, and everybody was forced to take the tube one stop to Barking (a bit like the one stop gap between Walthamstow Central and Tottenham). Furthermore, to my frustration the typical routing to Barking from East Ham is much longer than the previous routing (and it was rather traffic free as well). My driver made thing worse by crawling between East Ham and Barking. I mean it was a joke, and many passengers showed their anger. Seriously, normal services stopping regularly were pulling away from us. I understand running to a time, but surely it does not matter how long it takes to get from the penultimate stop to the last stop, no one is coming on in Barking. I know you do not want to have too many buses in Barking, but whenever has that been an issue for RR services. It was Sunday as well, so the gap between the buses is considerable. Absolute joke. The LO-T has always called at East Ham since the huge closure from around this time last year. As then it was quite high frequency, there was the option of people taking the District down to East Ham to get a bus. However the buses had a rule where it was alighting only towards Barking and boarding only towards Walthamstow Central so that freeloaders wouldn't ride the route between Barking and East Ham instead of the 238. The buses would always use Ron Leighton way both directions, which was a massive annoyance as all the in service buses would use High Street North and skip all the traffic.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 3, 2017 14:21:33 GMT
I may have missed this, but when did the Rail Replacement Service T divert via East Ham? I read this on TfL website and thought it was a mistake but when I rode it today, was mildly surprised it was not a mistake. Whats the point of that? It would make sense if the service terminated there, and everybody was forced to take the tube one stop to Barking (a bit like the one stop gap between Walthamstow Central and Tottenham). Furthermore, to my frustration the typical routing to Barking from East Ham is much longer than the previous routing (and it was rather traffic free as well). My driver made thing worse by crawling between East Ham and Barking. I mean it was a joke, and many passengers showed their anger. Seriously, normal services stopping regularly were pulling away from us. I understand running to a time, but surely it does not matter how long it takes to get from the penultimate stop to the last stop, no one is coming on in Barking. I know you do not want to have too many buses in Barking, but whenever has that been an issue for RR services. It was Sunday as well, so the gap between the buses is considerable. Absolute joke. The LO-T has always called at East Ham since the huge closure from around this time last year. As then it was quite high frequency, there was the option of people taking the District down to East Ham to get a bus. However the buses had a rule where it was alighting only towards Barking and boarding only towards Walthamstow Central so that freeloaders wouldn't ride the route between Barking and East Ham instead of the 238. The buses would always use Ron Leighton way both directions, which was a massive annoyance as all the in service buses would use High Street North and skip all the traffic. The service definitely did not serve East Ham last year. I took it a few times. After Woodgrange it would go straight via Little Ilford, and then turn onto the A406, shoot down to Barking in no time. It must have then changed. Its not the first time they have tweaked the service. Early on it served Leytonstone High Road and Leytonstone station directly and went round to Wanstead Park. Also, can you clarify the District line point. Is it free between the two stations? Or is it free only if you exit the station at Barking? I dont get this rule you mention about the buses? BTW I am sure its not free between Walthamstow Central and Tottenham but I could be incorrect.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 3, 2017 15:47:45 GMT
The LO-T has always called at East Ham since the huge closure from around this time last year. As then it was quite high frequency, there was the option of people taking the District down to East Ham to get a bus. However the buses had a rule where it was alighting only towards Barking and boarding only towards Walthamstow Central so that freeloaders wouldn't ride the route between Barking and East Ham instead of the 238. The buses would always use Ron Leighton way both directions, which was a massive annoyance as all the in service buses would use High Street North and skip all the traffic. The service definitely did not serve East Ham last year. I took it a few times. After Woodgrange it would go straight via Little Ilford, and then turn onto the A406, shoot down to Barking in no time. It must have then changed. Its not the first time they have tweaked the service. Early on it served Leytonstone High Road and Leytonstone station directly and went round to Wanstead Park. Also, can you clarify the District line point. Is it free between the two stations? Or is it free only if you exit the station at Barking? I dont get this rule you mention about the buses? BTW I am sure its not free between Walthamstow Central and Tottenham but I could be incorrect. LO-T most definitely did serve East Ham during the blockade - I used it to and from there. It may NOT have done so when LO-T ran on weekends prior to the blockade. I think the route changed where it served for the blockade.
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Post by mondraker275 on Jul 3, 2017 17:36:18 GMT
The service definitely did not serve East Ham last year. I took it a few times. After Woodgrange it would go straight via Little Ilford, and then turn onto the A406, shoot down to Barking in no time. It must have then changed. Its not the first time they have tweaked the service. Early on it served Leytonstone High Road and Leytonstone station directly and went round to Wanstead Park. Also, can you clarify the District line point. Is it free between the two stations? Or is it free only if you exit the station at Barking? I dont get this rule you mention about the buses? BTW I am sure its not free between Walthamstow Central and Tottenham but I could be incorrect. LO-T most definitely did serve East Ham during the blockade - I used it to and from there. It may NOT have done so when LO-T ran on weekends prior to the blockade. I think the route changed where it served for the blockade. You and Eastlondoner62 are probably right. I maybe submerging two different periods together. That sort of happens when time goes so fast. Mid 2017 already.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 3, 2017 18:15:09 GMT
LO-T most definitely did serve East Ham during the blockade - I used it to and from there. It may NOT have done so when LO-T ran on weekends prior to the blockade. I think the route changed where it served for the blockade. You and Eastlondoner62 are probably right. I maybe submerging two different periods together. That sort of happens when time goes so fast. Mid 2017 already. I think you are probably thinking about before the blockade as during it, it served East Ham running via High Street North & Ron Leighton Way. I did a Walthamstow Central to East Ham journey on a DN on LO-T and then one day decided to ride from Barking to Gospel Oak just to say I rode the whole thing lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:13:42 GMT
710 unit at Derby under construction They look amazing!
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Post by snoggle on Jul 26, 2017 10:27:31 GMT
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