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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 12:58:57 GMT
I stand corrected re R11. Just boarded one ex foots Cray Tesco. Five ( well four because I've included myself ) just boarded heading towards Orpington.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 2, 2016 14:27:01 GMT
From my own observations when I rode the R3 & R7 last year l, the loadings are quite light in places - there was only 2-3 using the Chelsfield loop whilst I had the R7 to myself for most of its route bar a few people boarding at Orpington & Petts Wood. The Walnuts Centre stop also had quite a few elder people congregating around.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 14:36:01 GMT
The R5 which left Orpington ten mins late at 1335 today carried only myself plus three other people around the Knockholt - Halstead - Cudham loop. Lovely ride though and a v good driver
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Post by sid on Feb 2, 2016 14:41:54 GMT
I've just had a quick flick through it all and it seems good to me, not sure about different frequencies for the R1 and R11 though. I can fully understand removing the R11 from Footscray Tesco, it can make journies to Sidcup very slow, but surely the R1 could be extended to terminate at Tesco instead? Presumably there is just not enough demand for both the R2 and R3 in the Poverest Road area? The R2 doesn't seem particularly well used to and from Biggin Hill either. The R7 extension to Chislehurst should be useful although the 61 stand would be better.
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Post by ibus246 on Feb 3, 2016 1:13:24 GMT
I note tranche 545 contains a number of R routes with a scheduled start date of a new contract in December. Does anyone think this will go on for that long? As the changes do not seem to need heavy infrastructure changes. Presumably, operators bidding will be aware of TfL's intentions on the proposed changes.
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Post by markyl on Feb 5, 2016 18:54:10 GMT
I think the new terminating point for R2 should be Goodmead Road, Orpington (used to be a stop for route 261 many years ago) that way passengers for Crofton Road still have the choice of 61 / 353 & R2 along the length of Orpington High Street.
R7 - a new bus stop should be added for Chelsfield Lakes Golf Club to enable children to access the driving range there.
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Post by jay38a on Feb 5, 2016 18:57:02 GMT
I think the new terminating point for R2 should be Goodmead Road, Orpington (used to be a stop for route 261 many years ago) that way passengers for Crofton Road still have the choice of 61 / 353 & R2 along the length of Orpington High Street. R7 - a new bus stop should be added for Chelsfield Lakes Golf Club to enable children to access the driving range there. I'd like it to use the R7 stand as planned as it will then not get caught up in traffic in Orp High Street which can take you 5 mins to get out of.
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Post by Paul on Feb 5, 2016 20:10:07 GMT
I think the new terminating point for R2 should be Goodmead Road, Orpington (used to be a stop for route 261 many years ago) that way passengers for Crofton Road still have the choice of 61 / 353 & R2 along the length of Orpington High Street. R7 - a new bus stop should be added for Chelsfield Lakes Golf Club to enable children to access the driving range there. I'd like it to use the R7 stand as planned as it will then not get caught up in traffic in Orp High Street which can take you 5 mins to get out of. You're welcome to the R7 stand; you guys can argue with the coach drivers who insist on blocking it up when they are picking up and dropping off
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2016 11:56:53 GMT
If the R7 is to be extended to Chislehurst I agree that the route 61 Chislehurst Gordon Arms terminus would be a better for the R7 than Chislehurst War Memorial. So the R7 could serve Chislehurst High Street and Chislehurst Sainsburys.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 14, 2016 13:43:22 GMT
Dimbo question for our resident R7 / Orpington experts. The R7 runs along a section of Crofton Lane after turning out of St Johns Road. Is it really the case there are no stops / no hail and ride on this bit of Crofton Lane as suggested by Countdown and bus maps? Seems a real waste not to have at least one stop along there given there are plenty of houses. Any clues as to why there are no stops?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 14, 2016 14:13:31 GMT
Dimbo question for our resident R7 / Orpington experts. The R7 runs along a section of Crofton Lane after turning out of St Johns Road. Is it really the case there are no stops / no hail and ride on this bit of Crofton Lane as suggested by Countdown and bus maps? Seems a real waste not to have at least one stop along there given there are plenty of houses. Any clues as to why there are no stops? I can answer one part from my previous experience of doing the R7 end to end - there is no bus stops or hail & ride along that part of Crofton Lane. Over to locals to answer why that's the case.
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Post by Paul on Feb 14, 2016 18:00:01 GMT
Dimbo question for our resident R7 / Orpington experts. The R7 runs along a section of Crofton Lane after turning out of St Johns Road. Is it really the case there are no stops / no hail and ride on this bit of Crofton Lane as suggested by Countdown and bus maps? Seems a real waste not to have at least one stop along there given there are plenty of houses. Any clues as to why there are no stops? As vjaska says, there are no stops and nor is there Hail & Ride. To be fair, in the two years or so that I've been driving the route I've not been asked to stop there so there doesn't seem to be any demand. Either that or the locals are so used to the situation any possible demand has evaporated There could be possible problems with actually locating stops due to the number of dropped kerbs for driveways and the fact that there are sloped grass verges as well. That said, I'd like to see a stop for Crofton Schools in the Orpington bound direction - I think it would prove quite useful In a similar vein (and this should probably be in the new routes thread, so apologies) I do think there should be a local route possibly running along St Johns Road then left into Crofton Lane, right into Chislehurst Road, right into Mayfield Avenue, left into Knoll Rise and down into Orpington. Might expand on this in the correct thread!
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Post by snoggle on Feb 14, 2016 21:23:34 GMT
In a similar vein (and this should probably be in the new routes thread, so apologies) I do think there should be a local route possibly running along St Johns Road then left into Crofton Lane, right into Chislehurst Road, right into Mayfield Avenue, left into Knoll Rise and down into Orpington. Might expand on this in the correct thread! Thanks for the answer about Crofton Lane. In terms of your idea then TfL could reroute the R2 that way to reach Petts Wood Station instead of the planned curtailment at Walnuts Centre. It would be the ideal sort of frequency and I agree with you that there is some good bus territory there although Mayfield Av might be a bit sniffy about "smelly buses" as it looks very well to do. There don't appear to be any physical restrictions although stop locations might be painful - H&R may be easier.
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Post by danorak on Feb 15, 2016 10:04:59 GMT
Dimbo question for our resident R7 / Orpington experts. The R7 runs along a section of Crofton Lane after turning out of St Johns Road. Is it really the case there are no stops / no hail and ride on this bit of Crofton Lane as suggested by Countdown and bus maps? Seems a real waste not to have at least one stop along there given there are plenty of houses. Any clues as to why there are no stops? I do think there should be a local route possibly running along St Johns Road then left into Crofton Lane, right into Chislehurst Road, right into Mayfield Avenue, left into Knoll Rise and down into Orpington. Might expand on this in the correct thread! Wasn't this the route of the original R7? I think the Mayfield Ave/Knoll Rise section was abandoned when traffic calming was installed, although I'm not sure it's any more severe than you'd find elsewhere.
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Post by Paul on Feb 15, 2016 10:19:37 GMT
I do think there should be a local route possibly running along St Johns Road then left into Crofton Lane, right into Chislehurst Road, right into Mayfield Avenue, left into Knoll Rise and down into Orpington. Might expand on this in the correct thread! Wasn't this the route of the original R7? I think the Mayfield Ave/Knoll Rise section was abandoned when traffic calming was installed, although I'm not sure it's any more severe than you'd find elsewhere. I believe buses used to use this section but I'll defer to you with regards which one! There is one particularly fierce speed table on Mayfield Avenue; I have to pass over it at very slow speed in my car since I have quite a low air dam at the front. As long as it's taken slowly I wouldn't foresee any problems with buses using it Been thinking about a possible new route (not much else to do on a quiet morning on the R7!) but a) I want to check out a few things, b) I'm on my phone and can't be bothered typing it all out on that! And c) I haven't decided on one of the termini yet
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