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Post by routew15 on Mar 16, 2018 20:14:03 GMT
Absolutely outrageous. There was nothing wrong with 277 and they butcher it. Could it not have stood at Highbury Barn or something? Also, 263s stood at H&I for all these months with no issue... 🤔 "Extra buses on route 30" - that just shows how delusional TfL are about it all... Don't they get some routes intentionally start or finish in certain locations so capacity is there? Bloody fools I agree it is quite outrageous. There is no effort whatsoever, from what i can see to, try and look for a new local stand. It would be nice to see attempts to negotiate stand space in a side road off of Holloway Road or Upper Street... The 277 is an important link between North London and the Isle of Dogs and im sure Islington Council would be willing to negotiate/discuss lifting the weight restriction on Digswells Street and Crane Grove to allow the route to turn around It is appears quite contradictory that extra ‘journeys’ can ne afforded on the 30 but extra ‘buses’ cant be afforded for the 277. Sloppy
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 20:33:12 GMT
Slightly off topic but I only use the 277 from Westferry to Victoria Park / Hackney on occasions but have always noticed just how frequent it run, seems to be a bus every few minutes but buses are not overly busy. Could the route see a frequency reduction at some stage?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 16, 2018 21:13:37 GMT
Slightly off topic but I only use the 277 from Westferry to Victoria Park / Hackney on occasions but have always noticed just how frequent it run, seems to be a bus every few minutes but buses are not overly busy. Could the route see a frequency reduction at some stage? I wouldn't be surprised to see a frequency reduction following its cut, the Highbury Corner end is always busy when I see it and I always think it warrants the frequency however the same can't be said for the Docklands end.
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Post by redexpress on Mar 17, 2018 2:52:31 GMT
Absolutely outrageous. There was nothing wrong with 277 and they butcher it. Could it not have stood at Highbury Barn or something? Also, 263s stood at H&I for all these months with no issue... 🤔 "Extra buses on route 30" - that just shows how delusional TfL are about it all... Don't they get some routes intentionally start or finish in certain locations so capacity is there? Bloody fools Unfortunately you can't get to Highbury Barn from the east (unless you divert it away from Highbury Corner, which would defeat the purpose), and there's no room for another route there anyway. And nothing will be able to turn at Highbury Corner - from any direction - once this daft scheme is implemented. An ideal solution was suggested earlier in the thread - extend the 277 to Holloway, and curtail the 263 to the same place. There's plenty of room at the Nag's Head for both routes to stand, and this opens up a useful round-the-Corner link at Highbury Corner.
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 19, 2018 15:10:26 GMT
Unfortunately I do believe that it was TfL's intention to cut the 277 to Dalston the same time it was extended to Crossharbour. I know they've attempted in the past, particularly when the North London line came under London Overground ownership. All I can say is I hope Metroline is ready to throw additional funding/ buses at route 30 when they take it over; it's always operators who have to deal with the fallout from TfL's expectations that everyone should switch to the train because it's more profitable to the corporation.
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Post by snoggle on Mar 19, 2018 15:26:58 GMT
Unfortunately I do believe that it was TfL's intention to cut the 277 to Dalston the same time it was extended to Crossharbour. I know they've attempted in the past, particularly when the North London line came under London Overground ownership. All I can say is I hope Metroline is ready to throw additional funding/ buses at route 30 when they take it over; it's always operators who have to deal with the fallout from TfL's expectations that everyone should switch to the train because it's more profitable to the corporation. I rather suspect TfL tendered the 30 with an option for an enhanced service level to cope with the 277's withdrawal. Having competitive prices for that adjustment will no doubt have been a (small) factor in the overall Highbury Corner scheme. I'd also expect TfL to have flagged the Highbury Corner works to bidders (or for bidders to have asked questions) so there may even be an emergency short term schedule at the enhanced service level also all priced by bidders. I expect the 30 will start with the enhanced service and the 277 being axed on 23 June this year. TfL said they intend to start work at Highbury Corner "in the Summer" so this all fits. Metroline won't be forking out any money of its own volition if it's done its research and asked TfL all of the pertinent questions and ensured it has a bid and priced options in place to cover the obvious possibilities.
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Post by busoccultation on Jun 18, 2018 13:53:07 GMT
Now confirmed by a bus stop poster that the changes will happen on the 30th June with the 277 being withdrawn between Dalston Junction and Highbury Corner, with new night route N277 which will run between Crossharbour and Angel via Highbury Corner. That poster was at current last stop of the 277 at Highbury Corner.
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Post by sid on Jun 18, 2018 14:50:52 GMT
Now confirmed by a bus stop poster that the changes will happen on the 30th June with the 277 being withdrawn between Dalston Junction and Highbury Corner, with new night route N277 which will run between Crossharbour and Angel via Highbury Corner. That poster was at current last stop of the 277 at Highbury Corner. Pity that the daytime service isn't doing the same.
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Post by RandomBusesGirl on Jun 18, 2018 20:58:21 GMT
Ughhh and I was about to put up "Save the 277" posters, never realised this will be coming so soon. Totally Failing London ruins yet another route!! "Hopper" crap when they ignore the issue of capacity. 30 will be too busy.
At least N277 does actually materialise. Wonder if the blinds are ready?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 18, 2018 22:24:41 GMT
A few more other routes are in the pipeline for withdrawals in the nearby area.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 18, 2018 22:26:06 GMT
What other routes are in the pipeline for withdrawal? I'd have thought bus services were pretty busy around there as it's quite densely populated.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 18, 2018 22:51:37 GMT
What other routes are in the pipeline for withdrawal? I'd have thought bus services were pretty busy around there as it's quite densely populated. From what I hear, two more not far away will be completely withdrawn with one being partially replaced by an extension of an existing route. There is also a future proposal mentioned in the Metroline thread to fully withdraw the 460 and replace it by extending the already lengthy 245 to Finchley (most likely Finchley Central) - absolutely stupid decisions IMO. These cuts will have long lasting negative effects that won't be easy to recover from even when TfL evntually return to a healthier financial position whenever that will be.
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Post by wirewiper on Jun 19, 2018 9:40:11 GMT
What other routes are in the pipeline for withdrawal? I'd have thought bus services were pretty busy around there as it's quite densely populated. From what I hear, two more not far away will be completely withdrawn with one being partially replaced by an extension of an existing route. There is also a future proposal mentioned in the Metroline thread to fully withdraw the 460 and replace it by extending the already lengthy 245 to Finchley (most likely Finchley Central) - absolutely stupid decisions IMO. These cuts will have long lasting negative effects that won't be easy to recover from even when TfL evntually return to a healthier financial position whenever that will be. I wonder why the 245, instead of just re-extending the 260? (Perhaps I should just read the thread).
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jun 19, 2018 10:03:14 GMT
What other routes are in the pipeline for withdrawal? I'd have thought bus services were pretty busy around there as it's quite densely populated. Not finalised yet, but they are mooting crossrail which imo is rubbish and another reason to force people to travel where they do not want to go. Then they wonder why people head to Uber.
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Post by sid on Jun 19, 2018 10:09:15 GMT
From what I hear, two more not far away will be completely withdrawn with one being partially replaced by an extension of an existing route. There is also a future proposal mentioned in the Metroline thread to fully withdraw the 460 and replace it by extending the already lengthy 245 to Finchley (most likely Finchley Central) - absolutely stupid decisions IMO. These cuts will have long lasting negative effects that won't be easy to recover from even when TfL evntually return to a healthier financial position whenever that will be. I wonder why the 245, instead of just re-extending the 260? (Perhaps I should just read the thread). I wondered that as well, presumably because the 245 is shorter than the 260?
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