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Post by adl on Apr 2, 2022 12:04:57 GMT
I believe with the withdrawal of GALs 56-reg Es and the recent withdrawal of Abellio 56/07 reg E400s(?) - the oldest buses must be GALs E61, 605 from UNO. Have the remaining 56/07 reg E400's at Abellio been withdrawn? They were only in service three days ago, but I don't suspect we've seen the last of them as they could be required on the 111 at the end of this month. Saying that however, the U5 will have MMC's freed up surely by the end of this month if the electrics are currently being finished, so there may not be a need for the 56/07 reg E400's. My thoughts as well were that the U5 would be able to contribute to the 111 so they do seem redundant but put a question mark as they may or may not be withdrawn.
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Post by snowman on Apr 11, 2022 5:04:22 GMT
Going to try and bring this up to date, since last version in October
If anyone spots any errors please quote with corrections made to the quote
Using newest TfL fleet audit and LVF to exclude those that have recently stopped hopefully this is up to date
Updated list of oldest buses (upto 58-reg)
Abellio 56-reg : 9401, 9404, 9405-9406, 9408, 9419, 9424 07-reg : 9420, 9421
Arriva London 57-reg : EN 5, 9, 12, 13, 16-21, 22 08-reg : T 1-6, 7, 8, 11, 36-39, 40, 41-43, 60-65, 199 58-reg : ENL 21, 25-27
CT Plus 57-reg : 1300, 1301
Go Ahead 56-reg : E 48, 52 07-reg : E 58, 59, 61, SE 18, 19, 57-reg : E 62-63, 64-65, 66, 68-78, 93, 08-reg : E 95, 96-99, SE 36 58-reg : DOE 1-7, 8, 9-37, VE 1-3
Metroline 08-reg : DE 860-867, 868-870, 1583-1588, 1591, 1592, TE 1573-1575 58-reg : DE 872-873, 874, 875-876, 957, 960, 58-reg : DE 1600, 1602, 1604, 1607, 1610, 1614, 1616, 1619, 1627-1649 58-reg : TE 933-934, 938-941
RATP 07-reg : DE 20074 08-reg : SP 40026 58-reg : DE 20018, 20019, 20020, 20021, 20092
Stagecoach 58-reg : 15001-15012, 15014-15016, 15019, 15023, 15036-15039, 58-reg : 36311-36313, 36325, 36326
Sullivan 51-reg : EVL 3, 6, 52-reg : WVL 1, 5, 8-10 04-reg : EVL 1 54-reg : EVL 7-10 56-reg : E 54, 55 57-reg : WVL 2-4 08-reg : E 59, 60-62
Uno 07-reg : 605
Apologies if there are any mistakes / omissions
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Post by COBO on Apr 11, 2022 5:59:27 GMT
Going to try and bring this up to date, since last version in October If anyone spots any errors please quote with corrections made to the quote Using newest TfL fleet audit and LVF to exclude those that have recently stopped hopefully this is up to date Updated list of oldest buses (upto 58-reg) Abellio 56-reg : 9401, 9404, 9405-9406, 9408, 9419, 942407-reg : 9420, 9421Arriva London 57-reg : EN 5, 9, 12, 13, 16-21, 2208-reg : T 1-6, 7, 8, 11, 36-39, 40, 41-43, 60-65, 199 58-reg : ENL 21, 25-27CT Plus 57-reg : 1300, 1301 Go Ahead 56-reg : E 48, 5207-reg : E 58, 59, 61, SE 18, 19, 57-reg : E 62-63, 64-65, 66, 68-78, 93, 08-reg : E 95, 96-99, SE 36 58-reg : DOE 1-7, 8, 9-37, VE 1-3 Metroline 08-reg : DE 860-867, 868-870, 1583-1588, 1591, 1592, TE 1573-1575 58-reg : DE 872-873, 874, 875-876, 957, 960, 58-reg : DE 1600, 1602, 1604, 1607, 1610, 1614, 1616, 1619, 1627-1649 58-reg : TE 933-934, 938-941 RATP 07-reg : DE 2007408-reg : SP 4002658-reg : DE 20018, 20019, 20020, 20021, 20092Stagecoach 58-reg : 15001-15012, 15014-15016, 15019, 15023, 15036-15039, 58-reg : 36311-36313, 36325, 36326 Sullivan 51-reg : EVL 3, 6,52-reg : WVL 1, 5, 8-1004-reg : EVL 154-reg : EVL 7-1056-reg : E 54, 5557-reg : WVL 2-408-reg : E 59, 60-62 Uno 07-reg : 605 Apologies if there are any mistakes / omissions UNO’s 605 is a 17 reg Wright StreetLite. Are you perhaps confusing it with 511 which was 56 reg Esteem which has long been withdrawn. I don’t believe that Uno has 07 reg operating in TfL.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Apr 11, 2022 6:40:12 GMT
Going to try and bring this up to date, since last version in October If anyone spots any errors please quote with corrections made to the quote Using newest TfL fleet audit and LVF to exclude those that have recently stopped hopefully this is up to date Updated list of oldest buses (upto 58-reg) Abellio 56-reg : 9401, 9404, 9405-9406, 9408, 9419, 942407-reg : 9420, 9421Arriva London 57-reg : EN 5, 9, 12, 13, 16-21, 2208-reg : T 1-6, 7, 8, 11, 36-39, 40, 41-43, 60-65, 199 58-reg : ENL 21, 25-27CT Plus 57-reg : 1300, 1301 Go Ahead 56-reg : E 48, 5207-reg : E 58, 59, 61, SE 18, 19, 57-reg : E 62-63, 64-65, 66, 68-78, 93, 08-reg : E 95, 96-99, SE 36 58-reg : DOE 1-7, 8, 9-37, VE 1-3 Metroline 08-reg : DE 860-867, 868-870, 1583-1588, 1591, 1592, TE 1573-1575 58-reg : DE 872-873, 874, 875-876, 957, 960, 58-reg : DE 1600, 1602, 1604, 1607, 1610, 1614, 1616, 1619, 1627-1649 58-reg : TE 933-934, 938-941 RATP 07-reg : DE 2007408-reg : SP 4002658-reg : DE 20018, 20019, 20020, 20021, 20092Stagecoach 58-reg : 15001-15012, 15014-15016, 15019, 15023, 15036-15039, 58-reg : 36311-36313, 36325, 36326 Sullivan 51-reg : EVL 3, 6,52-reg : WVL 1, 5, 8-1004-reg : EVL 154-reg : EVL 7-1056-reg : E 54, 5557-reg : WVL 2-408-reg : E 59, 60-62 Uno 07-reg : 605 Apologies if there are any mistakes / omissions UNO’s 605 is a 17 reg Wright StreetLite. Are you perhaps confusing it with 511 which was 56 reg Esteem which has long been withdrawn. I don’t believe that Uno has 07 reg operating in TfL. No 605 is 'C17UNO' which is a custom reg for one of the ex E11 SDE's at RP, which were 07reg. 46 is the Streetlite ex GAL WS46, which is 64reg. UNO have no 17 reg (by age) London buses.
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Post by COBO on Apr 11, 2022 6:42:33 GMT
UNO’s 605 is a 17 reg Wright StreetLite. Are you perhaps confusing it with 511 which was 56 reg Esteem which has long been withdrawn. I don’t believe that Uno has 07 reg operating in TfL. No 605 is 'C17UNO' which is a custom reg for one of the ex E11 SDE's at RP, which were 07reg. 46 is the Streetlite ex GAL WS46, which is 64reg. UNO have no 17 reg (by age) London buses. Oh right.
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Post by snowman on Apr 11, 2022 8:27:11 GMT
UNO’s 605 is a 17 reg Wright StreetLite. Are you perhaps confusing it with 511 which was 56 reg Esteem which has long been withdrawn. I don’t believe that Uno has 07 reg operating in TfL. No 605 is 'C17UNO' which is a custom reg for one of the ex E11 SDE's at RP, which were 07reg. 46 is the Streetlite ex GAL WS46, which is 64reg. UNO have no 17 reg (by age) London buses. There are only 2 remaining 07-reg buses (which covers March-August 2007), so these buses are close to their 15th birthday : UNO 605 and Go Ahead E61 Not many 57-reg either (Sept 2007-Feb 2008) Arriva EN 5, 9, 13, 16-21 CTPlus 1300, 1301 GoAhead E 64, 65, 93 With the exception of the 4 GoAhead double decks,they are all short 8.9m buses, which is probably a reflection of problems of replacing this size in a zero emission era for new buses. I am not upto date on what the replacement plans are for these, so maybe someone can advise.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Apr 11, 2022 8:36:18 GMT
No 605 is 'C17UNO' which is a custom reg for one of the ex E11 SDE's at RP, which were 07reg. 46 is the Streetlite ex GAL WS46, which is 64reg. UNO have no 17 reg (by age) London buses. There are only 2 remaining 07-reg buses (which covers March-August 2007), so these buses are close to their 15th birthday : UNO 605 and Go Ahead E61 Not many 57-reg either (Sept 2007-Feb 2008) Arriva EN 5, 9, 13, 16-21 CTPlus 1300, 1301 GoAhead E 64, 65, 93 With the exception of the 4 GoAhead double decks,they are all short 8.9m buses, which is probably a reflection of problems of replacing this size in a zero emission era for new buses. I am not upto date on what the replacement plans are for these, so maybe someone can advise. 605 will probably go - with 46 replacing it upon the new contract. iirc the GAL DD's will be replaced by the new EV's on the 119, and the HCT ones will need replacement upon the new W5 contract. Arriva's I'm unsure of, if the 377 is lost some may move over but will probably be the last 2007 buses in service in London.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Apr 11, 2022 8:38:48 GMT
I think that the 56/07 regs at Abellio are still yet to be withdrawn. Could they possibly cover the 111?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2022 8:49:17 GMT
There are only 2 remaining 07-reg buses (which covers March-August 2007), so these buses are close to their 15th birthday : UNO 605 and Go Ahead E61 Not many 57-reg either (Sept 2007-Feb 2008) Arriva EN 5, 9, 13, 16-21 CTPlus 1300, 1301 GoAhead E 64, 65, 93 With the exception of the 4 GoAhead double decks,they are all short 8.9m buses, which is probably a reflection of problems of replacing this size in a zero emission era for new buses. I am not upto date on what the replacement plans are for these, so maybe someone can advise. 605 will probably go - with 46 replacing it upon the new contract. iirc the GAL DD's will be replaced by the new EV's on the 119, and the HCT ones will need replacement upon the new W5 contract. Arriva's I'm unsure of, if the 377 is lost some may move over but will probably be the last 2007 buses in service in London. I don't think 605 is gonna go tbh. I can see UNO keeping this in case if the 383 extension to PB happens or if a bus breaks down. Remember this was originally a refurb cover for 601-604 then 605 left but it came back for the FMH extension along with 46 with a refurb of its own so I wouldn't be surprised if 605 remains.
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Apr 11, 2022 8:53:51 GMT
605 will probably go - with 46 replacing it upon the new contract. iirc the GAL DD's will be replaced by the new EV's on the 119, and the HCT ones will need replacement upon the new W5 contract. Arriva's I'm unsure of, if the 377 is lost some may move over but will probably be the last 2007 buses in service in London. I don't think 605 is gonna go tbh. I can see UNO keeping this in case if the 383 extension to PB happens or if a bus breaks down. Remember this was originally a refurb cover for 601-604 then 605 left but it came back for the FMH extension along with 46 with a refurb of its own so I wouldn't be surprised if 605 remains. Can't see it extended to PB.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 11, 2022 9:59:25 GMT
605 will probably go - with 46 replacing it upon the new contract. iirc the GAL DD's will be replaced by the new EV's on the 119, and the HCT ones will need replacement upon the new W5 contract. Arriva's I'm unsure of, if the 377 is lost some may move over but will probably be the last 2007 buses in service in London. I don't think 605 is gonna go tbh. I can see UNO keeping this in case if the 383 extension to PB happens or if a bus breaks down. Remember this was originally a refurb cover for 601-604 then 605 left but it came back for the FMH extension along with 46 with a refurb of its own so I wouldn't be surprised if 605 remains. This is incorrect - 605 was brought as an extra spare replacing 511 which had gone into UNO’s provincial fleet. 46 was originally taken on for school extras but permanently acquired as a spare itself and 605 becoming an actual 383 bus.
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Post by snowman on Apr 26, 2022 8:04:31 GMT
Going to try and bring this up to date, since last version in October If anyone spots any errors please quote with corrections made to the quote Using newest TfL fleet audit and LVF to exclude those that have recently stopped hopefully this is up to date Updated list of oldest buses (upto 58-reg) Abellio 56-reg : 9401, 9404, 9405-9406, 9408, 9419, 942407-reg : 9420, 9421Arriva London 57-reg : EN 5, 9, 12, 13, 16-21, 2208-reg : T 1-6, 7, 8, 11, 36-39, 40, 41-43, 60-65, 199 58-reg : ENL 21, 25-27CT Plus 57-reg : 1300, 1301 Go Ahead 56-reg : E 48, 5207-reg : E 58, 59, 61, SE 18, 19, 57-reg : E 62-63, 64-65, 66, 68-78, 93, 08-reg : E 95, 96-99, SE 36 58-reg : DOE 1-7, 8, 9-37, VE 1-3 Metroline 08-reg : DE 860-867, 868-870, 1583-1588, 1591, 1592, TE 1573-1575 58-reg : DE 872-873, 874, 875-876, 957, 960, 58-reg : DE 1600, 1602, 1604, 1607, 1610, 1614, 1616, 1619, 1627-1649 58-reg : TE 933-934, 938-941 RATP 07-reg : DE 2007408-reg : SP 4002658-reg : DE 20018, 20019, 20020, 20021, 20092Stagecoach 58-reg : 15001-15012, 15014-15016, 15019, 15023, 15036-15039, 58-reg : 36311-36313, 36325, 36326 Sullivan 51-reg : EVL 3, 6,52-reg : WVL 1, 5, 8-1004-reg : EVL 154-reg : EVL 7-1056-reg : E 54, 5557-reg : WVL 2-408-reg : E 59, 60-62 Uno 07-reg : 605 Apologies if there are any mistakes / omissions Was mulling adding the 09-reg and 59-reg to this thread but seems to be lots of them I have found following, can anyone advise what batches I have missed before I look which ones still exist Abellio : 8516-28, 9487-9523 Arriva DW, ENL, ENX, HV, T, Go Ahead : DOE, E, MEC, SEN, SOE, VE, WVL, WVN, 51-53 HCT : 1740-41 Metroline : DE, TE, VW, RATP : DE, SP, Stagecoach : 15040-120, 36338-75 Sullivan : AE, DS, E,
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Post by BE37054 (quoll662) on Apr 30, 2022 5:15:44 GMT
Can't see any obvious corrections you'd need to make. Are there any AE's that are older than 61 reg?
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 30, 2022 6:55:14 GMT
Going to try and bring this up to date, since last version in October If anyone spots any errors please quote with corrections made to the quote Using newest TfL fleet audit and LVF to exclude those that have recently stopped hopefully this is up to date Updated list of oldest buses (upto 58-reg) Abellio 56-reg : 9401, 9404, 9405-9406, 9408, 9419, 942407-reg : 9420, 9421Arriva London 57-reg : EN 5, 9, 12, 13, 16-21, 2208-reg : T 1-6, 7, 8, 11, 36-39, 40, 41-43, 60-65, 199 58-reg : ENL 21, 25-27CT Plus 57-reg : 1300, 1301 Go Ahead 56-reg : E 48, 5207-reg : E 58, 59, 61, SE 18, 19, 57-reg : E 62-63, 64-65, 66, 68-78, 93, 08-reg : E 95, 96-99, SE 36 58-reg : DOE 1-7, 8, 9-37, VE 1-3 Metroline 08-reg : DE 860-867, 868-870, 1583-1588, 1591, 1592, TE 1573-1575 58-reg : DE 872-873, 874, 875-876, 957, 960, 58-reg : DE 1600, 1602, 1604, 1607, 1610, 1614, 1616, 1619, 1627-1649 58-reg : TE 933-934, 938-941 RATP 07-reg : DE 2007408-reg : SP 4002658-reg : DE 20018, 20019, 20020, 20021, 20092Stagecoach 58-reg : 15001-15012, 15014-15016, 15019, 15023, 15036-15039, 58-reg : 36311-36313, 36325, 36326 Sullivan 51-reg : EVL 3, 6,52-reg : WVL 1, 5, 8-1004-reg : EVL 154-reg : EVL 7-1056-reg : E 54, 5557-reg : WVL 2-408-reg : E 59, 60-62 Uno 07-reg : 605 Apologies if there are any mistakes / omissions Was mulling adding the 09-reg and 59-reg to this thread but seems to be lots of them I have found following, can anyone advise what batches I have missed before I look which ones still exist Abellio : 8516-28, 9487-9523 Arriva DW, ENL, ENX, HV, T, Go Ahead : DOE, E, MEC, SEN, SOE, VE, WVL, WVN, 51-53 HCT : 1740-41 Metroline : DE, TE, VW, RATP : DE, SP, Stagecoach : 15040-120, 36338-75 Sullivan : AE, DS, E, Given that there are plenty of routes with 2009/16/23 tender dates, there are bound to be plenty of 2009 buses still in service. Some 2009 buses displaced by new buses in 2016 stayed in London to replace older buses at the time. Examples at least within GA are MECs from routes 507/521 to route 108 and WVLs from route 21 to route 321.
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Post by snowman on Apr 30, 2022 7:13:27 GMT
Can't see any obvious corrections you'd need to make. Are there any AE's that are older than 61 reg? Thanks, forgot about Sullivan AE28-30 (I think older AE2-3 no longer used)
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