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Post by jay38a on Feb 16, 2016 21:30:25 GMT
After being on a London Service Permit for 6 years, Route 477 will join the others with not accepting TfL passes within the London boundary between Crockenhill, Crouch Farm and Orpington Station from 20th March. This is particular a pain for Metrobus drivers as we do use the 477 between Orpington High Street and Station. I am awaiting a response from Arriva about the 402, whether its following too, as if so is even worse for us as all of us do use the 402 alot between the depot and Bromley if it turns up first and the 358 is screwed, as do Stagecoach Bromley drivers.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 21:41:47 GMT
After being on a London Service Permit for 6 years, Route 477 will join the others with not accepting TfL passes within the London boundary between Crockenhill, Crouch Farm and Orpington Station from 20th March. This is particular a pain for Metrobus drivers as we do use the 477 between Orpington High Street and Station. I am awaiting a response from Arriva about the 402, whether its following too, as if so is even worse for us as all of us do use the 402 alot between the depot and Bromley if it turns up first and the 358 is screwed, as do Stagecoach Bromley drivers. How are the TFL passes used on these routes compared to TFL routes? Is it that freedom passes won't be accepted or Oyster PAYG wont be accepted or what if you know what I mean? |
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Post by jay38a on Feb 16, 2016 21:45:50 GMT
After being on a London Service Permit for 6 years, Route 477 will join the others with not accepting TfL passes within the London boundary between Crockenhill, Crouch Farm and Orpington Station from 20th March. This is particular a pain for Metrobus drivers as we do use the 477 between Orpington High Street and Station. I am awaiting a response from Arriva about the 402, whether its following too, as if so is even worse for us as all of us do use the 402 alot between the depot and Bromley if it turns up first and the 358 is screwed, as do Stagecoach Bromley drivers. How are the TFL passes used on these routes compared to TFL routes? Is it that freedom passes won't be accepted or Oyster PAYG wont be accepted or what if you know what I mean? At the moment if your board wihtin London, and you have an Oyster card with a Travelcard or Bus Pass on it, you can travel for free by just showing your oyster card to the driver. He may have a little portable reader if its working, to check what you have on it, if not your just get waved on. Obviously paper travelcards are also valid. as is the one day bus and tram pass. |
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 16, 2016 21:49:56 GMT
Surely the 402 should accept London passes out to Knockholt Pound as it's still in greater London or a TFL route should run down there. Maybe they could remove 1 journey from the 320 and introduce a new route from Catford to Knockholt pound every 30 mins to help out the 358 aswell and maybe provide a DD service to Farnborough.
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Post by jay38a on Feb 16, 2016 21:57:02 GMT
Surely the 402 should accept London passes out to Knockholt Pound as it's still in greater London or a TFL route should run down there. Maybe they could remove 1 journey from the 320 and introduce a new route from Catford to Knockholt pound every 30 mins to help out the 358 aswell and maybe provide a DD service to Farnborough. Knockholt is actually in Kent (well it was part of London for a short while but residents moaned so was put back to kent again in the 60s), however historically the 402 has always accepted passes to there. The last place in London for the 402 is actually Pratts Bottom which TfL class the 402 as the main service as the R5/R10 is only every 150 mins in each direction. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 21:59:30 GMT
Thank you. not good but its all about the dosh. Can Oyster readers be left on for PAYG and Freedom Pass for customers like that. With PAYG, they can set their own price. All commercial and non-London routes could probally do this.
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Post by thesquirrels on Feb 16, 2016 22:01:02 GMT
Surely the 402 should accept London passes out to Knockholt Pound as it's still in greater London or a TFL route should run down there. Maybe they could remove 1 journey from the 320 and introduce a new route from Catford to Knockholt pound every 30 mins to help out the 358 aswell and maybe provide a DD service to Farnborough. [edit: forgot that the 402 still takes TfL pass holders for free/ Oyster passengers at a reduced fare!] I think 'obliging' a commercial operator to accept TfL passes within the area would probably be the final nail in the coffin that sees Arriva kill the London end of the 402 altogether. My (very hypothetical) suggestion is that a considerable amount of the 'socially necessary' passenger traffic between Knockholt Pound and Bromley enjoys free (at the point of use) travel, be it via a regional authority's ENCTS pass or a London borough's Freedom Pass. Arriva can provide that service in a commercially viable way - uniquely in London today in sheer Gtr Ldn mileage - so TfL doesn't see the need to lose any more money by running an additional service to those villages. I really think anything more than hourly would be a waste of resources - look at the level of provision that goes into the R5/10. I also wonder how much longer the 402 will exist in it's current form. |
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Post by lonmark on Feb 16, 2016 22:20:02 GMT
After being on a London Service Permit for 6 years, Route 477 will join the others with not accepting TfL passes within the London boundary between Crockenhill, Crouch Farm and Orpington Station from 20th March. This is particular a pain for Metrobus drivers as we do use the 477 between Orpington High Street and Station. I am awaiting a response from Arriva about the 402, whether its following too, as if so is even worse for us as all of us do use the 402 alot between the depot and Bromley if it turns up first and the 358 is screwed, as do Stagecoach Bromley drivers. How are the TFL passes used on these routes compared to TFL routes? Is it that freedom passes won't be accepted or Oyster PAYG wont be accepted or what if you know what I mean? Arriva is not allowed to refuse the freedom pass on route 477 after 9.30am mon to Fri and all day weekend due to the law. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 22:24:54 GMT
Surely the 402 should accept London passes out to Knockholt Pound as it's still in greater London or a TFL route should run down there. Maybe they could remove 1 journey from the 320 and introduce a new route from Catford to Knockholt pound every 30 mins to help out the 358 aswell and maybe provide a DD service to Farnborough. Knockholt is actually in Kent (well it was part of London for a short while but residents moaned so was put back to kent again in the 60s), however historically the 402 has always accepted passes to there. The last place in London for the 402 is actually Pratts Bottom which TfL class the 402 as the main service as the R5/R10 is only every 150 mins in each direction. Knockholt Station is within the London Borough of Bromley |
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Post by jay38a on Feb 16, 2016 22:26:20 GMT
Knockholt is actually in Kent (well it was part of London for a short while but residents moaned so was put back to kent again in the 60s), however historically the 402 has always accepted passes to there. The last place in London for the 402 is actually Pratts Bottom which TfL class the 402 as the main service as the R5/R10 is only every 150 mins in each direction. Knockholt Station is within the London Borough of Bromley However the road the 402 uses is in Kent.....the border follows both sides of the Station and ends at the road bridge at the southern end of the platforms, meaning even though the Station is in London, to leave the station you actually leave Greater London haha. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 16, 2016 22:29:17 GMT
After being on a London Service Permit for 6 years, Route 477 will join the others with not accepting TfL passes within the London boundary between Crockenhill, Crouch Farm and Orpington Station from 20th March. This is particular a pain for Metrobus drivers as we do use the 477 between Orpington High Street and Station. I am awaiting a response from Arriva about the 402, whether its following too, as if so is even worse for us as all of us do use the 402 alot between the depot and Bromley if it turns up first and the 358 is screwed, as do Stagecoach Bromley drivers. If the 402 moves from a LSP then that will mean no "commercial" cross boundary routes accept Travelcards and Bus Passes at zero cost. Abellio accept them on payment of an "Oyster Match" fare which is not the same thing. I don't think Uno accept TfL passes on the 610/4/5/44. |
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Post by jay38a on Feb 16, 2016 22:33:18 GMT
After being on a London Service Permit for 6 years, Route 477 will join the others with not accepting TfL passes within the London boundary between Crockenhill, Crouch Farm and Orpington Station from 20th March. This is particular a pain for Metrobus drivers as we do use the 477 between Orpington High Street and Station. I am awaiting a response from Arriva about the 402, whether its following too, as if so is even worse for us as all of us do use the 402 alot between the depot and Bromley if it turns up first and the 358 is screwed, as do Stagecoach Bromley drivers. If the 402 moves from a LSP then that will mean no "commercial" cross boundary routes accept Travelcards and Bus Passes at zero cost. Abellio accept them on payment of an "Oyster Match" fare which is not the same thing. I don't think Uno accept TfL passes on the 610/4/5/44. Both routes will still on a LSP however the seperate agreement with TfL to accept passes within London will end. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 22:34:10 GMT
Well this will be very interesting. The 477 is a very busy route on the Kent section. The 402 less so north of Dunton Green.
Maybe Arriva could divert the 402 to Orpington, reroute from Halstead to Orpington via the R5.
Withdraw R5/10.
Extend R6 hourly shopping hours to that garden centre at Polehill via Green Street Green, Pratts Bottom, Knockholt Station.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 16, 2016 22:52:08 GMT
If the 402 moves from a LSP then that will mean no "commercial" cross boundary routes accept Travelcards and Bus Passes at zero cost. Abellio accept them on payment of an "Oyster Match" fare which is not the same thing. I don't think Uno accept TfL passes on the 610/4/5/44. Both routes will still on a LSP however the seperate agreement with TfL to accept passes within London will end. Sorry you're right of course. It's that they wouldn't be London Local Service Agreements (the old section 3/2) which permit TfL pass acceptance. Doh!  |
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Post by jay38a on Feb 16, 2016 22:54:43 GMT
Both routes will still on a LSP however the seperate agreement with TfL to accept passes within London will end. Sorry you're right of course. It's that they wouldn't be London Local Service Agreements (the old section 3/2) which permit TfL pass acceptance. Doh! They haven't been on LLSA since 2010. It's a separate agreement totally separate from LLSA or LSP to accept TfL passes because of unique links In London where TfL still pay for accepting passes. |
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