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Post by vjaska on Feb 16, 2016 23:13:37 GMT
Well this will be very interesting. The 477 is a very busy route on the Kent section. The 402 less so north of Dunton Green. Maybe Arriva could divert the 402 to Orpington, reroute from Halstead to Orpington via the R5. Withdraw R5/10. Extend R6 hourly shopping hours to that garden centre at Polehill via Green Street Green, Pratts Bottom, Knockholt Station. From my own observations, the 402 actually sees decent enough usage to remain running along the current route north of Dunton Green. As for the 477, used that once end to end and it wasn't particularly busy. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 16, 2016 23:19:31 GMT
Sorry you're right of course. It's that they wouldn't be London Local Service Agreements (the old section 3/2) which permit TfL pass acceptance. Doh!  They haven't been on LLSA since 2010. It's a separate agreement totally separate from LLSA or LSP to accept TfL passes because of unique links In London where TfL still pay for accepting passes. Well that's me told!   |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 16, 2016 23:41:34 GMT
Well this will be very interesting. The 477 is a very busy route on the Kent section. The 402 less so north of Dunton Green. Maybe Arriva could divert the 402 to Orpington, reroute from Halstead to Orpington via the R5. Withdraw R5/10. Extend R6 hourly shopping hours to that garden centre at Polehill via Green Street Green, Pratts Bottom, Knockholt Station. From my own observations, the 402 actually sees decent enough usage to remain running along the current route north of Dunton Green. As for the 477, used that once end to end and it wasn't particularly busy. I use the 477 regularly. Often standing loads. |
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Post by sid on Feb 17, 2016 8:17:30 GMT
From my own observations, the 402 actually sees decent enough usage to remain running along the current route north of Dunton Green. As for the 477, used that once end to end and it wasn't particularly busy. I use the 477 regularly. Often standing loads. That's been my experience with passengers being left behind on some occasions. |
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Post by thesquirrels on Feb 17, 2016 9:21:52 GMT
I use the 477 regularly. Often standing loads. That's been my experience with passengers being left behind on some occasions. Similar experiences here. Have seen 477s in Dartford with standing loads on every day of the week inc. Sundays. Possibly a combination of general usage levels and some pretty horrendous reliability issues (take a look on twitter) resulting in service gaps. |
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Post by sid on Feb 17, 2016 15:33:51 GMT
That's been my experience with passengers being left behind on some occasions. Similar experiences here. Have seen 477s in Dartford with standing loads on every day of the week inc. Sundays. Possibly a combination of general usage levels and some pretty horrendous reliability issues (take a look on twitter) resulting in service gaps. I've always thought the 477 needed double deckers, there's no restriction as far as I'm aware, RMC's and AN's did the route years ago. |
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Post by snoggle on Feb 17, 2016 15:48:06 GMT
From the Arriva website.
Arriva KT are making a load of service changes most of which seem to worsen the service offered with bits of route being cut to excessive congestion, badly parked cars and no priority for buses.
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Post by jay38a on Feb 17, 2016 17:29:28 GMT
Reply from Arriva says "TfL passes will still be accepted on the 402, however not valid on the 477, TfL staff passes will still be accepted"
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Post by snoggle on Feb 17, 2016 18:02:46 GMT
Reply from Arriva says "TfL passes will still be accepted on the 402, however not valid on the 477, TfL staff passes will still be accepted" TfL staff passes still accepted - on the 402 or 477 or both and is that just within Greater London? Surprised to see that for normal staff passes. People who had "and former London Country buses" on their staff pass retain travel availability with bits of various commercial networks including Uno, Metrobus, Arriva SC. |
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Post by jay38a on Feb 18, 2016 15:42:08 GMT
Reply from Arriva says "TfL passes will still be accepted on the 402, however not valid on the 477, TfL staff passes will still be accepted" TfL staff passes still accepted - on the 402 or 477 or both and is that just within Greater London? Surprised to see that for normal staff passes. People who had "and former London Country buses" on their staff pass retain travel availability with bits of various commercial networks including Uno, Metrobus, Arriva SC. Yep just within greater London for standard TfL staff passes. |
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2016 18:44:21 GMT
From my own observations, the 402 actually sees decent enough usage to remain running along the current route north of Dunton Green. As for the 477, used that once end to end and it wasn't particularly busy. I use the 477 regularly. Often standing loads. Fair enough - I've only done it the once so can hardly suggest otherwise. |
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Post by jay38a on Mar 22, 2016 16:34:57 GMT
May well use this topic as its to do with the 477. If KCC agree to end funding for the evening 477, the evening service will stop completely between Swaney and Orpington. It's an option in their bus cuts which are being consulted on at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 19:38:38 GMT
May well use this topic as its to do with the 477. If KCC agree to end funding for the evening 477, the evening service will stop completely between Swaney and Orpington. It's an option in their bus cuts which are being consulted on at the moment. I'll let you know how many get on the 1950 ex Orpington. About to catch it now. |
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Post by snoggle on Mar 22, 2016 20:17:49 GMT
May well use this topic as its to do with the 477. If KCC agree to end funding for the evening 477, the evening service will stop completely between Swaney and Orpington. It's an option in their bus cuts which are being consulted on at the moment. Yes it would give the 4th largest financial saving out of the KCC list of changes. What I can't quite work out is why they are proposing to axe Swanley to Orpington given it would save no buses. The current evening service requires 2 buses and a truncated one would also need 2 (unless there is some clever interworking at Bluewater with another evening service). |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 20:30:37 GMT
May well use this topic as its to do with the 477. If KCC agree to end funding for the evening 477, the evening service will stop completely between Swaney and Orpington. It's an option in their bus cuts which are being consulted on at the moment. Yes it would give the 4th largest financial saving out of the KCC list of changes. What I can't quite work out is why they are proposing to axe Swanley to Orpington given it would save no buses. The current evening service requires 2 buses and a truncated one would also need 2 (unless there is some clever interworking at Bluewater with another evening service). If this evenings service is anything to go by, Arriva seem to have lost interest. One bus is running over 25 mins late !! Have to say not surprised. Arriva Northfleet must be the most unreliable, shoddy and unprofessional bus garage I've ever had the misfortune to have to use. Anyway, my 1950 did turn up. 1 TfL passenger and 7 using the country section. |
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