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Post by thesquirrels on Mar 22, 2016 20:48:52 GMT
May well use this topic as its to do with the 477. If KCC agree to end funding for the evening 477, the evening service will stop completely between Swaney and Orpington. It's an option in their bus cuts which are being consulted on at the moment. Yes it would give the 4th largest financial saving out of the KCC list of changes. What I can't quite work out is why they are proposing to axe Swanley to Orpington given it would save no buses. The current evening service requires 2 buses and a truncated one would also need 2 (unless there is some clever interworking at Bluewater with another evening service). A 90 minute headway could be maintained with a single bus doing Bluewater - Swanley rounders in the evening. Not a happy solution but it could be the option being considered here. I suggest this is a less unattractive proposition on the 477 than many other routes because a lot of the evening traffic would be carried from Bluewater (cinemas/dining etc as well as shopping & work), where you can hang around in a warm sheltered shopping centre until whatever time the bus is scheduled to leave. Not dissimilar to the way Ensign's X80 can run an almost ad-hoc service in times of severe disruption, with 30-40 minutes notice over social media of the next departure actually scheduled to run across the river. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 21:35:37 GMT
Ensign are quite brilliant at social media use , esp the x80. But sadly Arriva's attempts at the same are dire. Just goes to show how a small independent operator totally trumps a large international firm.
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Post by sid on Mar 22, 2016 22:04:09 GMT
Yes it would give the 4th largest financial saving out of the KCC list of changes. What I can't quite work out is why they are proposing to axe Swanley to Orpington given it would save no buses. The current evening service requires 2 buses and a truncated one would also need 2 (unless there is some clever interworking at Bluewater with another evening service). If this evenings service is anything to go by, Arriva seem to have lost interest. One bus is running over 25 mins late !! Have to say not surprised. Arriva Northfleet must be the most unreliable, shoddy and unprofessional bus garage I've ever had the misfortune to have to use. Anyway, my 1950 did turn up. 1 TfL passenger and 7 using the country section. Such late running is by no means unusual and it can't all be attributed to traffic delays and I certainly wouldn't disagree with you about NF, I don't think DT is much better either. |
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Post by markyl on Mar 23, 2016 8:00:42 GMT
Does TfL charge Arriva for using its infrastructure ie Orpington bus station when it no longer takes its tickets ?
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Post by jay38a on Mar 23, 2016 20:22:30 GMT
Does TfL charge Arriva for using its infrastructure ie Orpington bus station when it no longer takes its tickets ? Nope as all you need to run in London is an London Service Permit (or Local London Service Agreement which are still officially available but they make it commercially unattractive to companies). If a bus station is full to capacity, TfL will refuse the LSP (or LLSA). |
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Post by sid on May 10, 2016 8:49:00 GMT
Due to KCC funding cuts there are proposals to withdraw the evening service entirely between Swanley and Orpington.
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Post by sid on Jun 1, 2016 18:22:32 GMT
Yes it would give the 4th largest financial saving out of the KCC list of changes. What I can't quite work out is why they are proposing to axe Swanley to Orpington given it would save no buses. The current evening service requires 2 buses and a truncated one would also need 2 (unless there is some clever interworking at Bluewater with another evening service). If this evenings service is anything to go by, Arriva seem to have lost interest. One bus is running over 25 mins late !! Have to say not surprised. Arriva Northfleet must be the most unreliable, shoddy and unprofessional bus garage I've ever had the misfortune to have to use. Anyway, my 1950 did turn up. 1 TfL passenger and 7 using the country section. I don't think Gillingham are much better, I saw a packed single decker on the 700 pulling out of Bluewater on BH Monday, who on earth was responsible for putting that out on the 700 when there is a garage full of double deckers doing nothing? |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 8, 2016 15:41:26 GMT
Kent CC signed off almost all their planned service cuts in July. Only three service proposals caused any significant reaction from the public and KCC are going back to look at those again. The 477 was not on the "concern" list so expect the removal of the evening service within Greater London and other eve jnys in Kent to go sometime in September - as per the paper to the Council Cttee.
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Post by lonmark on Aug 7, 2017 17:01:38 GMT
Arriva change to this bus 477 again:
from 3rd September.
- The timetable will be completely revised.
- Buses will continue to run between Bluewater and Orpington on Mondays to Saturdays, retaining a thirty-minute frequency timetable.
- The Monday to Saturday evening buses that terminate at or start from Swanley Rail Station will do so instead from ASDA and will not serve the station.
- Sunday buses will no longer run between Swanley, Crockenhill and Orpington but the frequency between Swanley and Bluewater will be doubled to give a bus every thirty minutes for the main part of the day.
Look like other cut to bus enter in the London area on SUNDAY service this time.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 7, 2017 18:29:42 GMT
Arriva change to this bus 477 again: from 3rd September. - The timetable will be completely revised. - Buses will continue to run between Bluewater and Orpington on Mondays to Saturdays, retaining a thirty-minute frequency timetable. - The Monday to Saturday evening buses that terminate at or start from Swanley Rail Station will do so instead from ASDA and will not serve the station. - Sunday buses will no longer run between Swanley, Crockenhill and Orpington but the frequency between Swanley and Bluewater will be doubled to give a bus every thirty minutes for the main part of the day. Look like other cut to bus enter in the London area on SUNDAY service this time. Coincidentally, the one time I rode the 477 was on a Sunday from Bluewater to Orpington after the Dartford Garage open day - it wasn't particularly busy from memory. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 7, 2017 19:10:53 GMT
Arriva change to this bus 477 again: from 3rd September. - The timetable will be completely revised. - Buses will continue to run between Bluewater and Orpington on Mondays to Saturdays, retaining a thirty-minute frequency timetable. - The Monday to Saturday evening buses that terminate at or start from Swanley Rail Station will do so instead from ASDA and will not serve the station. - Sunday buses will no longer run between Swanley, Crockenhill and Orpington but the frequency between Swanley and Bluewater will be doubled to give a bus every thirty minutes for the main part of the day. Look like other cut to bus enter in the London area on SUNDAY service this time. I wonder if I will also get the blame for the 477 being axed on Sunday? - "bl**dy Oyster card inventors" [1].    [1] see my post in the route 402 thread about my ride on the 402 on its last day in Gtr London if you don't get the "joke". |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2017 22:41:45 GMT
Arriva change to this bus 477 again: from 3rd September. - The timetable will be completely revised. - Buses will continue to run between Bluewater and Orpington on Mondays to Saturdays, retaining a thirty-minute frequency timetable. - The Monday to Saturday evening buses that terminate at or start from Swanley Rail Station will do so instead from ASDA and will not serve the station. - Sunday buses will no longer run between Swanley, Crockenhill and Orpington but the frequency between Swanley and Bluewater will be doubled to give a bus every thirty minutes for the main part of the day. Look like other cut to bus enter in the London area on SUNDAY service this time. Well that's good news about the increased Sunday service between Swanley and Bluewater. But I don't like the Orpington section being axed on Sunday, as I can see it happening full time soon. As if Swanley isn't cut off from the surrounding areas enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 22:11:07 GMT
Are there still any 'non-TfL' routes in operation that would accept a staff Oyster?
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Post by TB123 on Dec 31, 2020 22:15:45 GMT
Are there still any 'non-TfL' routes in operation that would accept a staff Oyster? Not quite a non-TfL route as in not operating within the TfL area but Big Lemon in Brighton accept *ANY* staff bus pass from any operator or authority in the UK, which is in my mind how it should be everywhere To be honest though, most drivers would accept any form of staff pass. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2020 23:26:43 GMT
Are there still any 'non-TfL' routes in operation that would accept a staff Oyster? Not quite a non-TfL route as in not operating within the TfL area but Big Lemon in Brighton accept *ANY* staff bus pass from any operator or authority in the UK, which is in my mind how it should be everywhere To be honest though, most drivers would accept any form of staff pass. Yes, definitely how it should be everywhere! |
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