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Post by londonbusboy on Feb 19, 2016 9:09:02 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Feb 19, 2016 10:30:34 GMT
The new etiquette guide contains the following compulsory behaviours - dissing anyone who gets in the way - kissy teeth noises - screaming "beeaatch" at people who get within 1/2 mile of your buggy - intimidating stares - barging, pushing and shoving - driving your buggy over the feet of fellow passengers - biff, thwack, kapow - smashing your shopping bags into the shoulders of people sat in the front area of the bus - delaying buses for as long as possible while arguing that your child MUST get on the bus despite there being three buggies already on the bus As I suspected there is a TfL press release tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2016/february/-tfl-hosts-uk-s-first-ever-buggy-summ
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 10:54:19 GMT
The new etiquette guide contains the following compulsory behaviours - dissing anyone who gets in the way - kissy teeth noises - screaming "beeaatch" at people who get within 1/2 mile of your buggy - intimidating stares - barging, pushing and shoving - driving your buggy over the feet of fellow passengers - biff, thwack, kapow - smashing your shopping bags into the shoulders of people sat in the front area of the bus - delaying buses for as long as possible while arguing that your child MUST get on the bus despite there being three buggies already on the bus As I suspected there is a TfL press release tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2016/february/-tfl-hosts-uk-s-first-ever-buggy-summI agree with most of this, and there is one thing that NEEDS to be added. A) Three buggies should be 2. Unless you are talking about the 388 where there a no seats at the front of the bus, you can't fit 3 prams on a bus. B) Why isn't refusing to get off when a wheelchair needs to get on. This winds me up so much, because its a wheelchair priority area. The driver can easily give a transfer ticket.
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 19, 2016 11:07:52 GMT
The new etiquette guide contains the following compulsory behaviours - dissing anyone who gets in the way - kissy teeth noises - screaming "beeaatch" at people who get within 1/2 mile of your buggy - intimidating stares - barging, pushing and shoving - driving your buggy over the feet of fellow passengers - biff, thwack, kapow - smashing your shopping bags into the shoulders of people sat in the front area of the bus - delaying buses for as long as possible while arguing that your child MUST get on the bus despite there being three buggies already on the bus As I suspected there is a TfL press release tfl.gov.uk/info-for/media/press-releases/2016/february/-tfl-hosts-uk-s-first-ever-buggy-summI agree with most of this, and there is one thing that NEEDS to be added. A) Three buggies should be 2. Unless you are talking about the 388 where there a no seats at the front of the bus, you can't fit 3 prams on a bus. B) Why isn't refusing to get off when a wheelchair needs to get on. This winds me up so much, because its a wheelchair priority area. The driver can easily give a transfer ticket. One of the few redeeming features of the Scania double decks (e.g. the RATP SP class, Stagecoach 15xxx class) is they will take three prams as long as the prams aren't enormous.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 11:29:18 GMT
I agree with most of this, and there is one thing that NEEDS to be added. A) Three buggies should be 2. Unless you are talking about the 388 where there a no seats at the front of the bus, you can't fit 3 prams on a bus. B) Why isn't refusing to get off when a wheelchair needs to get on. This winds me up so much, because its a wheelchair priority area. The driver can easily give a transfer ticket. One of the few redeeming features of the Scania double decks (e.g. the RATP SP class, Stagecoach 15xxx class) is they will take three prams as long as the prams aren't enormous. Sorry, should of been more clear, I was actually talking about the tridents on route 388, but if the Scanias can take 3 which I have never seen, all well and good for Prams.
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Post by twobellstogo on Feb 19, 2016 11:34:44 GMT
One of the few redeeming features of the Scania double decks (e.g. the RATP SP class, Stagecoach 15xxx class) is they will take three prams as long as the prams aren't enormous. Sorry, should of been more clear, I was actually talking about the tridents on route 388, but if the Scanias can take 3 which I have never seen, all well and good for Prams. You were clear, I was just adding to your info
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Post by vjaska on Feb 19, 2016 11:39:15 GMT
Because buggy mum likes to be extremely rude towards wheelchair users (not all but a vast majority), remove priority for buggys and decrease the wheelchair area to accommodate one wheelchair only. On some vehicles like Enviro 400's, you could then fit two extra seats in and probably one tip up seat. I think it's scandalous that less able people can sometimes not even board a bus because of buggys - their life is already difficult enough as it is. I don't blame drivers as they are stuck in a difficult position - they are d*mned if they do and they are d*mned if they don't.
Those with buggys don't know how easy they've got it - I remember the days of my mum having to fold her buggy anytime she wanted a bus and carry shopping as well as myself on board.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 11:46:29 GMT
I agree with the list snoogle posted, I go upstairs and leave downstairs for the action, upstairs is very pleasant, but my query is why have a pushchair that can take part in the world rally championship with dirt racing tyres? Using Edmonton Green as an example, the 279 and 349 being the only buses to go north of the green are usually crammed after school hours either direction, thankfully I can walk home.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 19, 2016 11:53:38 GMT
I agree with the list snoogle posted, I go upstairs and leave downstairs for the action, upstairs is very pleasant, but my query is why have a pushchair that can take part in the world rally championship with dirt racing tyres? Using Edmonton Green as an example, the 279 and 349 being the only buses to go north of the green are usually crammed after school hours either direction, thankfully I can walk home. The Colin McRae Rally games could of been so different - "hard left into wheelchair area" lol.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 19, 2016 11:53:59 GMT
I agree with the list snoogle posted, I go upstairs and leave downstairs for the action, upstairs is very pleasant, but my query is why have a pushchair that can take part in the world rally championship with dirt racing tyres? Using Edmonton Green as an example, the 279 and 349 being the only buses to go north of the green are usually crammed after school hours either direction, thankfully I can walk home. Obviously I was making a joke and having a discussion of the key issues is a good idea. However it is really getting to something when TfL has to spend time and money to deal with what is really just appalling bad manners and lack of courtesy from a minority of people. As vjaska says - people don't realise how well off they are these days. In times past mums had to walk pushing a pram or buggy or they struggled with folding up a buggy, holding baby and lugging the shopping. The world hardly came to an end as a result - people just got on with it because they had to.
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Post by rmz19 on Feb 19, 2016 12:06:09 GMT
I honestly don't think TFL planning a 'bus etiquette guide' for buggy rage will change the behaviour of buggy users if they don't have the heart and decency to change their behaviour themselves. It really shouldn't resort to TFL dictating people what is morally right or wrong, this sort of thing is down to education and common sense, not reading from some guide or rule book. What next...a guide to how to have a conversation without giving others migraines on buses?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 12:11:13 GMT
I know Snoogle you were joking but I agree all the same!! It's the truth in it that I agree with haha. I don't think my sentiments translated very well. Hence the racing tyre reply, anyhow I remember the days as well when the pushchair went underneath the stairs. Cant remember much arguements as I was the one being carried!
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Post by T.R. on Feb 19, 2016 14:31:55 GMT
I've experienced the following: - Buggy 1 on board. Two more board from separate doors, and despite a CA intervention, Buggy 1 leaves (!). - when you're the 2nd bus with a full bay, a mother decides to treat your bus to some choice words. Can we also have a notice "NO BUGGIES ON THE REAR PLATFORM"? Believe it or not but a lady tried punting herself + buggy onto a moving bus. (Unless of course it was part of movie filming )
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2016 15:17:51 GMT
I wouldn't call it a rules book. I would call it an advertising campaigne in a sort of fun way I honestly don't think TFL planning a 'bus etiquette guide' for buggy rage will change the behaviour of buggy users if they don't have the heart and decency to change their behaviour themselves. It really shouldn't resort to TFL dictating people what is morally right or wrong, this sort of thing is down to education and common sense, not reading from some guide or rule book. What next...a guide to how to have a conversation without giving others migraines on buses?
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Post by rambo on Feb 19, 2016 21:54:58 GMT
Yet another waste of time from TFL.
Sort out the african mums with buggies. Sort out the waynetta mums with buggies.
Another example of a problem not being nipped in the bud.
As many of you know, I now drive buses in/around basildon. I have not had 1 single problem with buggies. Buggie mums always look to see if there is room, if it looks tight, they always ask if it is OK to get on.
In london what does not help is allowing buggies to use rear doors. All buggies should use front doors, and if they don't fit down the isle, should not be allowed on. And yes, I know the usual leftie groups will scream 'what about double buggies/poor families/single mums etc etc'.
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