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Post by sid on Jun 4, 2016 9:06:23 GMT
Ive heard that there will be a consultation soon on Oxford Street pedestrianisation in the Autumn with various options like part-pedestrianisation, full, removing taxis and some buses with some routes using adjacent back roads. Can anyone confirm this? I get the feeling it wont be until late 2017 before anything actually changes. I believe the middle underground section of Crossrail opens then as well so they could coincide it with that. The through-the-centre part of Crossrail is due to open in late 2018. Sid : would take an awful lot of typing up, and the new school term starts Monday and planning needs doing. Suffice to say, my plans mean the demise of routes such as 7, 82, 98, 189, 453, C2 (parts replaced by other routes), and considerable changes elsewhere. Yes the 7 certainly looks a prime candidate for the axe and I posted some plans of my own that included the withdrawl of the 139. I think the 25 is likely to be severely reduced, possibly withdrawn west of Aldgate?
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 4, 2016 11:47:12 GMT
The increasingly likely pedestrianisation of Oxford Street will take care of a number of buses sadly. I decided to have a go at planning a new zone 1 bus network using 'worst case scenario' (closure of Oxford Street from Marble Arch - TCR, including right across Oxford Circus, meaning all the buses in Regent Street go too). An awful lot of buses, and quite a number of whole routes would vanish down the ether I won't publish it here, because you'll all hate me lol Ive heard that there will be a consultation soon on Oxford Street pedestrianisation in the Autumn with various options like part-pedestrianisation, full, removing taxis and some buses with some routes using adjacent back roads. Can anyone confirm this? I get the feeling it wont be until late 2017 before anything actually changes. I believe the middle underground section of Crossrail opens then as well so they could coincide it with that. Wigmore Street is bad enough all ready, God knows what it will be like then
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Post by snoggle on Jun 4, 2016 15:45:32 GMT
Ive heard that there will be a consultation soon on Oxford Street pedestrianisation in the Autumn with various options like part-pedestrianisation, full, removing taxis and some buses with some routes using adjacent back roads. Can anyone confirm this? I get the feeling it wont be until late 2017 before anything actually changes. I believe the middle underground section of Crossrail opens then as well so they could coincide it with that. The central core of Crossrail opens mid December 2018. I doubt anything meaningful can be done until then. It is worth bearing in mind that the Crossrail service builds up in two further phases so the full impact of its capacity won't begin to be felt until December 2019. This is only 6 months before the next Mayoral Election [1] so if the Mayor sanctions the massacring of the bus network in Zone 1 around this time then all the fallout will still be swirling round when the campaign is underway. Conversely if pedestrianisation doesn't happen until then then there will be very little time for its effects to be understood and for anyone to claim any benefits that might arise. [1] there are suggestions that the Government may extend the current Mayoral term by 1 year to avoid a clash with the General Election campaign in 2020. Personally I think we're more than capable of dealing with overlapping campaigns - happens all the time with local elections.
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Post by rmz19 on Jun 5, 2016 0:13:17 GMT
Ive heard that there will be a consultation soon on Oxford Street pedestrianisation in the Autumn with various options like part-pedestrianisation, full, removing taxis and some buses with some routes using adjacent back roads. Can anyone confirm this? I get the feeling it wont be until late 2017 before anything actually changes. I believe the middle underground section of Crossrail opens then as well so they could coincide it with that. Wigmore Street is bad enough all ready, God knows what it will be like then That's what I was thinking. Perhaps Brook Street on the opposite side could become bi-direcitional or be modified to accommodate a contraflow bus lane for the rest of the routes instead of confining all buses along Wigmore Street.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 8:14:28 GMT
Well I hope there will be no further cut backs to the 53 this is my only bus route in to Central London!! It is only going as far as Lambeth North as it is.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 5, 2016 13:34:57 GMT
Well I hope there will be no further cut backs to the 53 this is my only bus route in to Central London!! It is only going as far as Lambeth North as it is. I don't see the 53 as being particularly vulnerable to cutting. My 'worst case scenario' plans I haven't published have the 53 restored to Whitehall with enhancement between there and Deptford, and the 453 withdrawn : no point really in this route existing with no quick access across Oxford Circus...
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Post by vjaska on Jun 5, 2016 16:56:54 GMT
Well I hope there will be no further cut backs to the 53 this is my only bus route in to Central London!! It is only going as far as Lambeth North as it is. I don't see the 53 as being particularly vulnerable to cutting. My 'worst case scenario' plans I haven't published have the 53 restored to Whitehall with enhancement between there and Deptford, and the 453 withdrawn : no point really in this route existing with no quick access across Oxford Circus... I don't see either of those happening - I suspect the 53 will sadly stay at Lambeth North. Instead, what I see happening is either the 453 left as it is for now or cut back to Oxford Circus/Piccadilly Circus with an extension to Lewisham/Catford. Removing the 453 entirely would be very silly personally regardless of any cuts to it in Central London.
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Post by Nathan on Jun 5, 2016 17:12:44 GMT
Well I hope there will be no further cut backs to the 53 this is my only bus route in to Central London!! It is only going as far as Lambeth North as it is. I don't see the 53 as being particularly vulnerable to cutting. My 'worst case scenario' plans I haven't published have the 53 restored to Whitehall with enhancement between there and Deptford, and the 453 withdrawn : no point really in this route existing with no quick access across Oxford Circus... Eeek! Hope that doesn't happen. The 453 is a major route for South London. I don't even what to imagine what the 53 will be like between New Cross and Elephant...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 18:02:25 GMT
How long has the 53 been curtailed to Lambeth North as it feels like more than a year even though they said it's "temporary" which is a shame that it's been curtailed ad I think it will be that way unfourtunatly and does anyone know when other routes like 3 and 148 will return to it's natural roueting.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jun 5, 2016 18:07:34 GMT
I don't see the 53 as being particularly vulnerable to cutting. My 'worst case scenario' plans I haven't published have the 53 restored to Whitehall with enhancement between there and Deptford, and the 453 withdrawn : no point really in this route existing with no quick access across Oxford Circus... Eeek! Hope that doesn't happen. The 453 is a major route for South London. I don't even what to imagine what the 53 will be like between New Cross and Elephant... Hope that Oxford Circus doesn't get pedestrianised then! I would have maintained frequency between Whitehall and Deptford, they would just all be 53s instead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 19:54:20 GMT
Twobellstogo, what would you do with the LT's off the 453 if route withdrawn? Please don't say convert the 53 mate.
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Post by John tuthill on Jun 5, 2016 19:57:22 GMT
Twobellstogo, what would you do with the LT's of the 453 if route withdrawn? Please don't say put them on the 53! No, lets put them on E-Bay
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Post by snoggle on Jun 5, 2016 20:02:19 GMT
How long has the 53 been curtailed to Lambeth North as it feels like more than a year even though they said it's "temporary" which is a shame that it's been curtailed ad I think it will be that way unfourtunatly and does anyone know when other routes like 3 and 148 will return to it's natural roueting. The problem was firstly Elephant and Castle gyratory works. They've finished but, of course, we are now on to the second and third nightmares - namely Tooley St and then Tower Bridge closure. These all impact the Bricklayers Arms which will inevitably push traffic back through the Elephant in due course. Even worse the obvious turn from Newington Causeway to New Kent Road is now banned meaning that traffic trying to reach London Bridge will have to drive further through Elephant and then somehow double back or run via Waterloo or Southwark Bridges. None of that bodes well for TfL removing "temporary" timetables on the 3, 53 and 148. Anyway I don't know why you're complaining about 1 year of temporary timetables, we've had over 3 years of that on the 123 and TfL are still refusing to restore the permanent timetable. I'm actually expecting the upcoming Mini Holland works on Forest Road to force a reduction down to something stupid like a bus every 12-13 mins. In 2011 we had a bus every 10 minutes. Even with turnround times of 15-20 minutes at Wood Green and Ilford Arriva still can't run the service on time.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 5, 2016 20:08:22 GMT
I think lambeth north is a pointless terminal point. Either restore it to Whitehall or cut it to Elephant and used the saved resources to provide a better service for the rest of the route that still gets very busy through. Or divert it at County Hall to go past St Thomas to vauxhall as that area develops.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jun 5, 2016 20:27:28 GMT
I think lambeth north is a pointless terminal point. Either restore it to Whitehall or cut it to Elephant and used the saved resources to provide a better service for the rest of the route that still gets very busy through. Or divert it at County Hall to go past St Thomas to vauxhall as that area develops. Everytime I go past the area I think that as well. The 53s either stand at Lambeth Bridge or at County Hall. Most of the time I see them standing with the 381 and 341. What I think should be done is that the 53 should just be diverted to Waterloo Upper Taxi Road to stand with the 211, especially as there is space there for another route and 53 should fit quite nicely.
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