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Post by john on Sept 22, 2016 14:27:13 GMT
Why is that?? Because it isn't mass produced. It's a niche market where costs will always be higher. If the car industry was to start producing, on a large scale, hydrogen vehicles, then the cost of production would start to come down. Don't forget hybrid vehicles were quite expensive when first introduced. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the base cost dropped quite significantly since? One of the reason as to why Hydrogens are expensive is becaus they are indeed not mass produced however I can't imagine them going into mass production anyway and then being justified by an order from an operator by any means. I imagine a bulk order by tfl is what would a governing body or a similar organisation would be the only way of achieving this. Seems there is too much money in the research and development stage and for all the years of testing hasn't reached the levels the conventional hybrid did. I think too much money has to be thrown in very quickly for a very slow and not so definite return. That I can agree with and probably wasted on stupid areas rather than specifically fuel storage
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 22:31:31 GMT
Can't see hydrogen taking off unfortunately, aside the safety aspect they cost far too much to produce. Just one of those things on the RV1 costs £1.1million. Why is that?? Because it isn't mass produced. It's a niche market where costs will always be higher. If the car industry was to start producing, on a large scale, hydrogen vehicles, then the cost of production would start to come down. Don't forget hybrid vehicles were quite expensive when first introduced. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't the base cost dropped quite significantly since? Hybrids don't require special facilities put in at garages, or a type of fuel that is very energy-intensive and fairly difficult to produce.
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Post by snowman on Apr 25, 2017 5:46:15 GMT
Amazingly the hybrid HDEs are nearly at their 8th birthday. www.transdevplc.co.uk/media-centre/?newsID=8What is unusual is they have retained (apart from a few lower panels) the green leaf colours. They haven't yet had a repainted or refurb, even though they are running on 371 on third contract They ran for last 2 months of a 371 contract, another 7 years contract, and currently on a contract that started last July. Can't think of any other buses that are still on same route and third contract without refurb. From memory, TfL allows a year from contract start for refurbs to be finished, can anyone confirm this.
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Post by Nathan on Apr 25, 2017 7:28:28 GMT
From memory, TfL allows a year from contract start for refurbs to be finished, can anyone confirm this. Well given the 432's WVLs still haven't been refurbished, I doubt it. I also remember the ex-157 Volvo's too ages to be refurbed. Some with most other Volvos at WL.
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Post by cc2005 on Apr 25, 2017 7:51:11 GMT
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Post by paulo on Apr 25, 2017 8:27:21 GMT
Amazingly the hybrid HDEs are nearly at their 8th birthday. www.transdevplc.co.uk/media-centre/?newsID=8What is unusual is they have retained (apart from a few lower panels) the green leaf colours. They haven't yet had a repainted or refurb, even though they are running on 371 on third contract They ran for last 2 months of a 371 contract, another 7 years contract, and currently on a contract that started last July. Can't think of any other buses that are still on same route and third contract without refurb. From memory, TfL allows a year from contract start for refurbs to be finished, can anyone confirm this. Perhaps the fact that they are owned by TFL and leased to LU means that the rules are effectively relaxed.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 25, 2017 12:41:38 GMT
There are also other solutions: Has CNG ever been used/considered for London use? TfL have specifically ruled out the use of gas for the bus fleet. A few months ago I posted links to presentations and reports that TfL were involved in and these said that gas was not considered appropriate for London. Can't remember the specific reasoning as to why but hybrid, hydrogen fuel cell and electric seem to be TfL's preference.
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Post by routew15 on Apr 25, 2017 12:46:01 GMT
Perhaps the fact that they are owned by TFL and leased to LU means that the rules are effectively relaxed. For the sake of New Bus for London passengers I hope this is not the case
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Post by vjaska on Apr 25, 2017 13:22:08 GMT
Perhaps the fact that they are owned by TFL and leased to LU means that the rules are effectively relaxed. For the sake of New Bus for London passengers I hope this is not the case It's not because otherwise, the original EH's, original ADH's, original TEH's & original WHY's would never of been refurbished.
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