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Post by Paul on Dec 2, 2020 13:30:16 GMT
I do indeed work for Stagecoach, although to be fair, it’s such a pleasant route to drive that it’s a bit of a stretch to call the 246 ‘work!’  The coach stand does get used. There’s one chap who, from the sign in the window of his coach, does regular school work and he parks his coach up there when he’s not working. In better times, there are excursions to Westerham and the surrounding areas - Quebec House gets plenty of visitors when it’s open and of course Chartwell is only up the road. There are plenty of coaches going up to Chartwell in the summer months - can get quite awkward if you meet one of those in the wrong place! My understanding is that there is no necessity in locating toilet facilities at each end of a route. Whilst it would be nice to have a toilet at the Westerham end, we are well catered for at Bromley North. I imagine there are plans for a TfL toilet in the car park but equally imagine that it is not a priority. Maybe one day! I thought TFL had to provide toilet facility, for no other reason I remember the residents kicking off in Biggin Hill when TFL put one of those portaloos at the end of the R2 or R8 route. Provided one end of the route has toilet facilities TfL won’t deem it a priority to install toilets at the other end. I’m actually quite surprised that they installed one at Chelsfield for the R7 but it might have been because using Sainsburys at Chislehurst was a little awkward during the restricted entry times A toilet at Westerham might be on the cards because there’s plenty of space for one and it’s not really going to bother anyone because there’s no one there for it to bother! I never understood why residents got so annoyed about the facilities installed at Biggin Hill and Petts Wood. They would only be used by a limited number of drivers and they would be cleaned every day - I can’t really see the argument |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 2, 2020 14:30:33 GMT
I thought TFL had to provide toilet facility, for no other reason I remember the residents kicking off in Biggin Hill when TFL put one of those portaloos at the end of the R2 or R8 route. Provided one end of the route has toilet facilities TfL won’t deem it a priority to install toilets at the other end. I’m actually quite surprised that they installed one at Chelsfield for the R7 but it might have been because using Sainsburys at Chislehurst was a little awkward during the restricted entry times A toilet at Westerham might be on the cards because there’s plenty of space for one and it’s not really going to bother anyone because there’s no one there for it to bother! I never understood why residents got so annoyed about the facilities installed at Biggin Hill and Petts Wood. They would only be used by a limited number of drivers and they would be cleaned every day - I can’t really see the argument Probably worried about house prices dropping or some other lame excuse. |
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Post by bertrell on Dec 3, 2020 10:25:00 GMT
Provided one end of the route has toilet facilities TfL won’t deem it a priority to install toilets at the other end. I’m actually quite surprised that they installed one at Chelsfield for the R7 but it might have been because using Sainsburys at Chislehurst was a little awkward during the restricted entry times A toilet at Westerham might be on the cards because there’s plenty of space for one and it’s not really going to bother anyone because there’s no one there for it to bother! I never understood why residents got so annoyed about the facilities installed at Biggin Hill and Petts Wood. They would only be used by a limited number of drivers and they would be cleaned every day - I can’t really see the argument Probably worried about house prices dropping or some other lame excuse. Yeah, standar Kent Numptys Vjaska! |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 3, 2020 11:02:59 GMT
I thought TFL had to provide toilet facility, for no other reason I remember the residents kicking off in Biggin Hill when TFL put one of those portaloos at the end of the R2 or R8 route. Provided one end of the route has toilet facilities TfL won’t deem it a priority to install toilets at the other end. I’m actually quite surprised that they installed one at Chelsfield for the R7 but it might have been because using Sainsburys at Chislehurst was a little awkward during the restricted entry times A toilet at Westerham might be on the cards because there’s plenty of space for one and it’s not really going to bother anyone because there’s no one there for it to bother! I never understood why residents got so annoyed about the facilities installed at Biggin Hill and Petts Wood. They would only be used by a limited number of drivers and they would be cleaned every day - I can’t really see the argument I can understand the disquiet about the Biggin Hill toilet, absolute eyesore in a residential road and what was the justification anyway? There is only the half hourly Mon-Sat daytime R2 which has public toilets at the Orpington end so how much use did it get, surely there are more pressing cases elsewhere? I don't know why the Petts Wood toilets were removed? It's not a residential area but again I question the justification with only the x20 minute 273 terminating there and public toilets available in the railway station, again surely there must be higher priorities elsewhere? Oxford Circus for example which as far as I'm aware has no toilet facilities for drivers and they have to use nearby shops and fast food outlets. |
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Post by greg on Dec 3, 2020 11:18:29 GMT
Hi this is about route 2:
Why does it run via Gloucester Road towards Marylebone when it can run via Park Road instead unlike the 30/74?
Gloucester Road is always very congested and the 2 would be better via Park Road imo bothways.
It can turn into Melcombe Street from Baker Street Station and straight onto Marylebone Station.
Is not affected towards West Norwood.
When Park Road all the buses use Melcombe Street to divert to Gloucester Road and you can continue to Marylebone
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Post by abc on Dec 4, 2020 1:21:17 GMT
Hi this is about route 2: Why does it run via Gloucester Road towards Marylebone when it can run via Park Road instead unlike the 30/74? Gloucester Road is always very congested and the 2 would be better via Park Road imo bothways. It can turn into Melcombe Street from Baker Street Station and straight onto Marylebone Station. Is not affected towards West Norwood. When Park Road all the buses use Melcombe Street to divert to Gloucester Road and you can continue to Marylebone 30 and 74 turn before Park Road. Also all three go from Gloucester Road. Are you thinking of some other Street? |
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Post by vjaska on Dec 4, 2020 2:06:54 GMT
Hi this is about route 2: Why does it run via Gloucester Road towards Marylebone when it can run via Park Road instead unlike the 30/74? Gloucester Road is always very congested and the 2 would be better via Park Road imo bothways. It can turn into Melcombe Street from Baker Street Station and straight onto Marylebone Station. Is not affected towards West Norwood. When Park Road all the buses use Melcombe Street to divert to Gloucester Road and you can continue to Marylebone 30 and 74 turn before Park Road. Also all three go from Gloucester Road. Are you thinking of some other Street? I think he has confused the road names up - for starters, Gloucester Road doesn't exist at Baker Street or Marylebone and is actually Gloucester Place. Secondly, Park Road is not used by the 2 - it finishes by Allsop Place and Baker Street starts from there. What I think he is saying is the 2 should run both ways via Baker Street rather than run northbound via Gloucester Place & southbound via Baker Street. greg the reason the 2 runs via Gloucester Place is to match all routes that either terminate at Baker Street & Marylebone or turn there to head elsewhere like the 30. All routes that run north of Baker Street towards Regent Park or Grove End Road run both ways via Baker Street. |
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Post by greg on Dec 4, 2020 8:13:05 GMT
30 and 74 turn before Park Road. Also all three go from Gloucester Road. Are you thinking of some other Street? I think he has confused the road names up - for starters, Gloucester Road doesn't exist at Baker Street or Marylebone and is actually Gloucester Place. Secondly, Park Road is not used by the 2 - it finishes by Allsop Place and Baker Street starts from there. What I think he is saying is the 2 should run both ways via Baker Street rather than run northbound via Gloucester Place & southbound via Baker Street. greg the reason the 2 runs via Gloucester Place is to match all routes that either terminate at Baker Street & Marylebone or turn there to head elsewhere like the 30. All routes that run north of Baker Street towards Regent Park or Grove End Road run both ways via Baker Street. Makes sense, thank you! |
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Post by greenboy on Dec 5, 2020 19:59:09 GMT
On the subject of toilet facilities.....
.. problems on the 464 have arisen because of the covid situation. Drivers can no longer go in the medical centre in New Addington and the pub at Tatsfield is closed, dead run to Addington Village is the only other option.
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 28, 2020 22:23:02 GMT
Through checking LVF to identify what double decker was on the 325 a fortnight ago, I noticed the bus was only going as far as Barking Road! I'm sure capitalomnibus will confirm this but as per the bus stop data, I assume this is only a turn that has the driver navigate the Barking Road roundabout. First and last stops are at Burges Road. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 28, 2020 23:51:53 GMT
Through checking LVF to identify what double decker was on the 325 a fortnight ago, I noticed the bus was only going as far as Barking Road! I'm sure capitalomnibus will confirm this but as per the bus stop data, I assume this is only a turn that has the driver navigate the Barking Road roundabout. First and last stops are at Burges Road. It was probably one that was on the V325 which only run up to Barking Road. The last stops are at the Town Hall and the bus runs back to the garage afterwards so there's no need for a turning circle. |
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Post by willzzz123 on Dec 29, 2020 18:03:13 GMT
When 427 terminates at King Street (Stop D), where does it stand at
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2020 18:18:41 GMT
When 427 terminates at King Street (Stop D), where does it stand at Stands at Horn Lane with buses starting from Stop A (Denehurst Gardens) |
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Post by greg on Dec 29, 2020 20:45:15 GMT
Hi sorry this is so long
Something that has not been mentioned before is the future for routes 27 and 393 stands at Chalk Farm Morrisons?
The closure with the new estates will probably mean buses cant stand there anymore or at least temporarily and the gas station roundabout is now gone because of the new mini Morrisons store there so you cant stand there either so stands are unavailable.
I was thinking on the different options TFL would take
For the 27:
One possibility is I thought they would cut it to Camden Town and use the Camden Gardens stand which is empty. If Camden Market does become pedestrianised as planned (on hold) then this would be another factor on the cut to reduce journey time.
Another is that they could extend the route to Chalk Farm Station via the Roundhouse, then Regents Park Road which is unserved to stand, Bridge Approach and back to Chalk Farm Station (31s stop towards Camden).
Or to make it stand at Hawley Road but this would pretty much be a Camden Town terminus and its last stop would essentialy be Camden Town so Camden Gardens is more benenficial - Hawley Road is also tight now with the reduced lanes because of the new primary school and zebra crossing
For the 393:
No idea because there would be no reason to have this route go any further than Chalk Farm Morrisons. It would just become a whole tangle routing as you would reach Camden Gardens which the 393 almost serves at Kentish Town Road its a 45 second walk.
I think this route will probably be cut to the station and stand on Regents Park Road but then how would it get back onto Haverstock Hill from Bridge Approach it would have to use Ferdinand Street and not serve Harmood Street or rerouted via Eton Road, England’s Lane and Steele’s Village instead of Haverstock Hill.
I dont think LTs would fit on Regents Park Road even though I have seen a 31 do it from the other side of the road which is harder and this Y shaped road is indeed very narrow. Dont think residents would want double deckers outside their apartment offices either but who knows? Think the 393 has more opportunity as it is a single deck but roads in Chalk Farm are complicated being shaped like a tree with all the mini side roads as branches.
I probably think the 27 will be cut to Camden and the 393 standing on Bridge Approach.
Also as a local, im pretty sure the 27 will get emptier. Between Baker Street and Camden, there are 3 other bus routes you could take.
Baker Street most people take the 274 instead as its quicker and less busy
Same goes for Great Portland Street on the 88
And at Warren Street same for all routes and the 24 to Chalk Farm Road
The 27 has a key patronage to Morrisons but if its closing to a mini store which is on the main road the 24, 31 and 168 will also stop outside so it breaks this commuter key link.
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Post by willzzz123 on Dec 29, 2020 21:28:11 GMT
What happened to the bus stand at Wembley Stadium (Stop SB) since 224 stopped going there
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