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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 13, 2021 17:24:26 GMT
I've got to ask this but more fantasy: Say in a fantasy world, Canning Town was a much more crowded bus station in terms of stands and routes struggled to find where to stand. Could where the 323 stops towards Canning Town at the bus stop Manor Road be used as a place to stand a bus route? Doesn't need to be fantasy, it's a reality  I was at Canning Town yesterday and there was a 5 parked at the 147s first stop because its stand was full, although a 241 driver didn't particularly take to that very well and kept blasting their horn until the bus moved. That 5 ended up needing to go right up to the exit the 474/241/147 use and then reverse into stand. You almost always see a 323 or 309 parked at the first stop as well because their stand is full. Manor Road has been used to stand buses in the past, last month when the 474 and 241 were cut back to Canning Town the 474s while they stood at their stop as the 474 is the only route to serve it, the 241s stood at Manor road because there was no other space available in the bus station. I imagine if there was a need for a more permanent solution that they would just move the 474s stop towards Silvertown to share with the 147 and 241 and cover the 474 stop into a stand. The 191 has a similar stand style at Edmonton Green. |
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 13, 2021 18:01:25 GMT
Speaking for the ones vjaska hasn't covered, the eastern side of Eastbourne Terrace used to have a stand of around 10 buses pre Crossrail. All Paddington routes (15, 205, 332, 436) used to stand there. After stand space was taken for the Crossrail works, the 15 got extended to Paddington Basin, the 332 moved to its current stand on Bishop's Bridge Road and alternate stand for the 205 and 436. Although for some reason the 436s new stand ended up being inaccessible after a couple of years and the 436s moved to stand at Lancaster Gate, dead running there after alighting at their last stop and then heading back to Paddington to pick up. If I'm right the 46 now stands on Bishops Bridge Road which has to be the one of the most useless alighting points out there, it's impossible to access the main station there without a long walk through Paddington. While the 205 stands right around the corner at least that route manages to serve Paddington Station. I know road layouts there have undergone huge changes but surely there's got to be a better way of getting the 46 and 332 to serve Paddington properly when coming in from the North. The 332 used to go via Edgware Road, Sussex Gardens and Pread Street to serve Paddington before it was given the inconvenient routing into Paddington it has now. Though there is an entrance to the Tube station on the banks of the Basin, there certainly isn't signage towards the [closest] entrance from the 332 and now 46's alighting point. I suspect that's why everyone leaves the 332 en masse when it turns onto Harrow Road from Edgware Road. |
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Post by redexpress on Feb 13, 2021 20:22:10 GMT
Although for some reason the 436s new stand ended up being inaccessible after a couple of years and the 436s moved to stand at Lancaster Gate, dead running there after alighting at their last stop and then heading back to Paddington to pick up. If I'm right the 46 now stands on Bishops Bridge Road which has to be the one of the most useless alighting points out there, it's impossible to access the main station there without a long walk through Paddington. While the 205 stands right around the corner at least that route manages to serve Paddington Station. I know road layouts there have undergone huge changes but surely there's got to be a better way of getting the 46 and 332 to serve Paddington properly when coming in from the North. The 332 used to go via Edgware Road, Sussex Gardens and Pread Street to serve Paddington before it was given the inconvenient routing into Paddington it has now. Though there is an entrance to the Tube station on the banks of the Basin, there certainly isn't signage towards the [closest] entrance from the 332 and now 46's alighting point. I suspect that's why everyone leaves the 332 en masse when it turns onto Harrow Road from Edgware Road. I don't remember the 332 ever using Sussex Gardens towards Paddington - indeed the right turn from Edgware Road into Sussex Gardens is not permitted, even for buses. The original route record from 2007 (when the route was introduced) states that buses ran via Harrow Road towards Paddington from the start.
One change was made to the original routeing. Northbound buses used to run via Chapel Street, Old Marylebone Road and Marylebone Road, because the direct left turn from Praed Street onto Edgware Road was not cleared for buses (although some drivers did it anyway to save time). The road layout was subsequently tweaked to allow buses to make the left turn with ease.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 13, 2021 21:07:54 GMT
The 332 used to go via Edgware Road, Sussex Gardens and Pread Street to serve Paddington before it was given the inconvenient routing into Paddington it has now. Though there is an entrance to the Tube station on the banks of the Basin, there certainly isn't signage towards the [closest] entrance from the 332 and now 46's alighting point. I suspect that's why everyone leaves the 332 en masse when it turns onto Harrow Road from Edgware Road. I don't remember the 332 ever using Sussex Gardens towards Paddington - indeed the right turn from Edgware Road into Sussex Gardens is not permitted, even for buses. The original route record from 2007 (when the route was introduced) states that buses ran via Harrow Road towards Paddington from the start.
One change was made to the original routeing. Northbound buses used to run via Chapel Street, Old Marylebone Road and Marylebone Road, because the direct left turn from Praed Street onto Edgware Road was not cleared for buses (although some drivers did it anyway to save time). The road layout was subsequently tweaked to allow buses to make the left turn with ease.
Wow, never realised that! Maybe I've mistaken the southbound routing for the northbound one as I definitely remember seeing a 332 at the lights of Old Marylebone Road & Edgware Road over a decade ago. Well that's my learn something new today box ticked!  |
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Post by redexpress on Feb 13, 2021 21:46:17 GMT
I don't remember the 332 ever using Sussex Gardens towards Paddington - indeed the right turn from Edgware Road into Sussex Gardens is not permitted, even for buses. The original route record from 2007 (when the route was introduced) states that buses ran via Harrow Road towards Paddington from the start.
One change was made to the original routeing. Northbound buses used to run via Chapel Street, Old Marylebone Road and Marylebone Road, because the direct left turn from Praed Street onto Edgware Road was not cleared for buses (although some drivers did it anyway to save time). The road layout was subsequently tweaked to allow buses to make the left turn with ease.
Wow, never realised that! Maybe I've mistaken the southbound routing for the northbound one as I definitely remember seeing a 332 at the lights of Old Marylebone Road & Edgware Road over a decade ago. Well that's my learn something new today box ticked! Might have been a short-term diversion? For a southbound bus to get to Sussex Gardens I suppose it would have turned left onto Chapel Street then right onto Old Marylebone Road, then straight ahead onto Sussex Gardens. |
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Post by greg on Feb 13, 2021 23:50:01 GMT
The roads around Paddington and Edgware Road are so confusing to be honest, I still have no clue where to catch a 332 and why does the 18 not go via Old Marylebone Road? Speeds a lot of journey time than the traffic via the Flyover
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Post by buspete on Mar 12, 2021 4:32:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2021 7:39:50 GMT
Looks to me to be Garage or relief trips. Was it operated from Dunton Green at that point ? If so, DG was straight along the A25 so would also explain the Westerham Green trips ( one stop past Kings Arms ). Kings Arms is on the one way system meaning the bus can quickly head back to Bromley. |
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Post by redexpress on Mar 12, 2021 7:58:21 GMT
Looks to me to be Garage or relief trips. Was it operated from Dunton Green at that point ? If so, DG was straight along the A25 so would also explain the Westerham Green trips ( one stop past Kings Arms ). Kings Arms is on the one way system meaning the bus can quickly head back to Bromley. Yes, it was a Dunton Green operation, and the Westerham Green journeys were indeed garage journeys.
One anomaly of the 320 in those days was that the Mon-Sat service was operated by London & Country while the Sunday service was operated by Kentish Bus... but both operating from Dunton Green! DG was a Kentish Bus garage but L&C had an arrangement to use part of the space there.
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Post by buspete on Mar 13, 2021 19:08:36 GMT
Not sure if buses turned around in the car park then, as they do now?
The first journeys and last journeys used to terminate at Westerham Green, so this would indicate this is the ones used for garage journeys and Westerham Green does point towards Sevonoaks/Dutton Green. The exact opposite for Metrobus, when operating the 246.
The 246 seemed to be a non TFL commercial service originally and operated by Metrobus and went out to Edenbridge/East Grinstead.
Although Kentish Bus operated the 320 on a Sunday, it was an awful 2 hourly service and only 7 buses a day, compared to a 20 min frequency today and you have the bonus of the 246 which gives you one bus an hour, the difference is night and day.
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Post by LD71YLO (BE37054) on Mar 13, 2021 20:47:35 GMT
Is there a stand for bus route 274 at London Zoo? It seems there is one on the stand spec document found via this link. However, I can't find it on Google Maps Street View. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2021 21:58:10 GMT
Is there a stand for bus route 274 at London Zoo? It seems there is one on the stand spec document found via this link. However, I can't find it on Google Maps Street View. The 'stand' refers to the bus stop itself on Albert Terrace. |
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Post by greg on Mar 14, 2021 11:59:36 GMT
Is there a stand for bus route 274 at London Zoo? It seems there is one on the stand spec document found via this link. However, I can't find it on Google Maps Street View. Nope as they can easily head back towards Angel from London Zoo using Albert Terrace, because the 274 runs via Gloucester Road towards Angel and Regents Park Road towards Lancaster Gate. A stand could be made tho for any other route there is quite a lot of space |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2021 14:22:27 GMT
Any historians out there know where the 37 used to terminate on Isleworth short turns?
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Post by Busboy105 on Mar 30, 2021 11:24:28 GMT
I’ve got a good one here folks. There’s a stand on Sterling Way a couple of yards from Silver Street. I have no idea what bus would’ve stopped there (or if any at all. All I see are trucks parked by it). So my question is did a bus service used to stop there? Link to the stop: www.google.co.uk/maps/place/A406,+London/@51.6144243,-0.0779638,3a,75y,100.18h,90t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sQjQE-frnu6pHD3FB5eXGRQ!2e0!4m2!3m1!1s0x48761ebbe7bcca0d:0xde7836a61c3fe452 |
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