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Post by smoothcriminal on Nov 25, 2017 10:35:42 GMT
Maybe they'll link to the new rolling stock when it arrives and be real time via 4g or something.
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Post by john on Nov 27, 2017 19:56:27 GMT
I doubt the c2c ones would work on real time either. The London Overground board at Shoreditch High Street shows historical data for each train and how it's been loaded over the last year (I think it was a year). It's a good idea though. From what I read, each carriage will essentially carry a weigh bridge on it. This will send data showing the "available space" in that car. This will then be displayed on the information boards for passengers to view. How true this is I don't know BUT, if it can be done in the railways then surely it's time to do so on the buses for us drivers in relation to maximum weight carrying
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Post by snoggle on Nov 27, 2017 23:01:10 GMT
I doubt the c2c ones would work on real time either. The London Overground board at Shoreditch High Street shows historical data for each train and how it's been loaded over the last year (I think it was a year). It's a good idea though. From what I read, each carriage will essentially carry a weigh bridge on it. This will send data showing the "available space" in that car. This will then be displayed on the information boards for passengers to view. How true this is I don't know BUT, if it can be done in the railways then surely it's time to do so on the buses for us drivers in relation to maximum weight carrying Most modern rolling stock has the ability to "guess" how many average sized people are being carried because of the way the air suspension has to adjust. I think there's also some link to train braking systems to reflect the weight of the train. As trains also now routinely transmit status information about a whole range of things it is, again, no great issue to transmit the "weight" carried in each car and for a bit of software to turn this into loading information for possible display. I think there's also something clever about using past weight data for each departure to slowly nuance / improve the data over time. Clearly there can be issues where timetables change or you get into seasonal holidays where commuting demand falls so care about using past data has be exercised or else the wrong average data may be calculated. All programmable and predictable provided someone takes the time and effort to consider all these issues well in advance.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 14, 2017 12:46:30 GMT
The new trains for C2C will be Bombardier Aventras.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Dec 14, 2017 13:14:13 GMT
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Post by T.R. on Dec 14, 2017 13:57:12 GMT
Bit of an anti-climax there I suppose (given all existing units are Electrostars). In terms of fixed 10-car, do they mean 10x20m (as with SWR) or 10x24m (as with Greater Anglia)?
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Post by ThinLizzy on Dec 14, 2017 14:25:46 GMT
Bit of an anti-climax there I suppose (given all existing units are Electrostars). In terms of fixed 10-car, do they mean 10x20m (as with SWR) or 10x24m (as with Greater Anglia)? it says 10-car fixed formation with carriages longer than the current c2c ones. I assume that's 10x24m
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Post by londontravel on Dec 15, 2017 6:12:43 GMT
The article says the trains will be larger than the current fleet, so I think they will be longer carriages. I wonder if they will have the current “iironing board” seats, as in the current 700 / 707 trains. It also mentions the class 387s will stay until the new trains arrive, and that the train company are looking to hire more trains, until the new trains arrive.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 8, 2018 21:36:57 GMT
An article about the lack of information about the redevelopment of Barking Station. www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/shop-owners-left-in-lurch-with-barking-station-development-plans-leaving-them-concerned-1-5770439That article despite complaining about the lack of information has managed to provide us with the most information on the topic so far, which is that Barking is going to get escalators. Now where on earth they're going to put the escalators is beyond me, the only thing I can think of is putting them further south of the platforms where the current ticket office is, but that would require them to break through the floor and close and relocate the whole ticket office as well as making the current dateline inaccessible.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 8, 2018 23:08:51 GMT
An article about the lack of information about the redevelopment of Barking Station. www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/shop-owners-left-in-lurch-with-barking-station-development-plans-leaving-them-concerned-1-5770439That article despite complaining about the lack of information has managed to provide us with the most information on the topic so far, which is that Barking is going to get escalators. Now where on earth they're going to put the escalators is beyond me, the only thing I can think of is putting them further south of the platforms where the current ticket office is, but that would require them to break through the floor and close and relocate the whole ticket office as well as making the current dateline inaccessible. I agree with your comments re escalators. I can't see where they would go as you need upper and lower machine chambers which will be hard to cram in to the existing structure. The only thing I can imagine is if the ticket hall level deck is extended to the west thus removing part of the canopy and some of the platform level buildings. Even then the platforms aren't that wide so crowding around the bottom of escalators could be quite dangerous with trains moving by the platform edge. This is why almost all escalators at platform level are tucked away down corridors / adits. I am also a bit surprised that they are proposing to offer existing tenants space in the revised station *and* encourage larger shops too. Where's the space for so many shops? I also assume C2C are working within the existing building structure under permitted development rights otherwise they'd need planning permission and they won't get that through Barking and Dagenham Council to allow a start on site mid next year (as implied by the kicking the tenants out date).
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Nov 9, 2018 17:59:53 GMT
An article about the lack of information about the redevelopment of Barking Station. www.barkinganddagenhampost.co.uk/news/shop-owners-left-in-lurch-with-barking-station-development-plans-leaving-them-concerned-1-5770439That article despite complaining about the lack of information has managed to provide us with the most information on the topic so far, which is that Barking is going to get escalators. Now where on earth they're going to put the escalators is beyond me, the only thing I can think of is putting them further south of the platforms where the current ticket office is, but that would require them to break through the floor and close and relocate the whole ticket office as well as making the current dateline inaccessible. I agree with your comments re escalators. I can't see where they would go as you need upper and lower machine chambers which will be hard to cram in to the existing structure. The only thing I can imagine is if the ticket hall level deck is extended to the west thus removing part of the canopy and some of the platform level buildings. Even then the platforms aren't that wide so crowding around the bottom of escalators could be quite dangerous with trains moving by the platform edge. This is why almost all escalators at platform level are tucked away down corridors / adits. I am also a bit surprised that they are proposing to offer existing tenants space in the revised station *and* encourage larger shops too. Where's the space for so many shops? I also assume C2C are working within the existing building structure under permitted development rights otherwise they'd need planning permission and they won't get that through Barking and Dagenham Council to allow a start on site mid next year (as implied by the kicking the tenants out date). I have a feeling offering tenants existing space is just a way of getting them to leave without a fuss. I notice that further down the article it says existing tenants will be given an opportunity to bid for an allocated space, that's no guarantee that they will get it.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 28, 2019 16:03:34 GMT
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Post by wivenswold on Mar 2, 2019 8:36:31 GMT
It was a big mistake to replace the 2 gate lines when the station was refurbished in 89/90. I wonder if the original fishtank booking office will return.
I had my first ever snog in Barking Booking Office, on a late shift, in the kitchen. Happy times.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Aug 7, 2019 19:12:14 GMT
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Post by wivenswold on Aug 9, 2019 3:23:32 GMT
Oh how times change. TOCs used to make a killing from a captive audience, commuters. The completely foreseeable era of home working has resulted in a dramatic drop in commuter numbers. GA are in a legal battle with, among others, the DfT trying to reduce their contributions. That's around 5 TOCs struggling. I can see Boris backing a return to British Rail, it's the sort of big patriotic gesture that he thinks will keep him in No.10. If they can find a new way for their friends in the city to make money out it, then it'll happen.
It's a big shame for the staff though, they're a great bunch on C2C.
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