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Post by SILENCED on Mar 19, 2021 12:53:50 GMT
Fantastic if this goes ahead based on the proposed timescale. This is a win win win for pedestrians, cyclists and bus users. I think a toll is a sensible idea to pay for repair costs and future maintenance of the bridge. For me there are no issues with running single deck services across Hammersmith Bridge. It will require a higher PVR for busier routes, but that’s not such a bad thing for industry jobs at a time when TfL are reducing PVRs across London. Really hope this proposal gets the backing of central government, the MOL and TfL. So after all the talk of it being listed and can’t be altered, it now looks like it will become a steel truss bridge with the existing chains kept more for decoration than actually taking the load of the bridge deck If there is a height restriction stopping single decks (likely if on upper deck, and have to fit under the towers) then would TfL look at longer single decks, possibly even tri-axles if there is a axle weight limit to spread the load. Depending on where they choose to send buses crossing bridge might even be able to use something nearer 12m - 14m long I very doubt you would be able to build any road structure these days that does not comply with standard height requirements. |
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 19, 2021 16:34:05 GMT
Fantastic if this goes ahead based on the proposed timescale. This is a win win win for pedestrians, cyclists and bus users. I think a toll is a sensible idea to pay for repair costs and future maintenance of the bridge. For me there are no issues with running single deck services across Hammersmith Bridge. It will require a higher PVR for busier routes, but that’s not such a bad thing for industry jobs at a time when TfL are reducing PVRs across London. Really hope this proposal gets the backing of central government, the MOL and TfL. So after all the talk of it being listed and can’t be altered, it now looks like it will become a steel truss bridge with the existing chains kept more for decoration than actually taking the load of the bridge deck If there is a height restriction stopping single decks (likely if on upper deck, and have to fit under the towers) then would TfL look at longer single decks, possibly even tri-axles if there is a axle weight limit to spread the load. Depending on where they choose to send buses crossing bridge might even be able to use something nearer 12m - 14m long You probably meant double deck  . It think it may very well be that in the case double decks won't be allowed. Really love the idea, quick, fairly chaeap and feasible! I doubt DD's will still be able to come due to height now but long 12m single-decks can on busy routes 72 and 33. I think, if this is to go ahead which I strongly hope, the 72 and 33 can recieve buses like on 521 and 507, except seated. I think this has a good chance of happening as they are electric and long. I also think this is absolutley fine as there are a few places in the capital where simply DD's can't run due to height, in fact it will be so weird seeing a decker on the routes, it will keep them unique. |
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 19, 2021 20:41:04 GMT
So after all the talk of it being listed and can’t be altered, it now looks like it will become a steel truss bridge with the existing chains kept more for decoration than actually taking the load of the bridge deck If there is a height restriction stopping single decks (likely if on upper deck, and have to fit under the towers) then would TfL look at longer single decks, possibly even tri-axles if there is a axle weight limit to spread the load. Depending on where they choose to send buses crossing bridge might even be able to use something nearer 12m - 14m long I very doubt you would be able to build any road structure these days that does not comply with standard height requirements. The Double-Deck Bridge is only temporary. If you read the tweet, they are going to use the same principle technology to restore fully the bottom deck to normal and restore it functionally to how it was, and then double-decks will be avalibale. |
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 19, 2021 20:44:08 GMT
I read a reply tweet on the new double deck bridge proposal about tolling people from neighbouring bridges. I do agree with this as it would speed up the process of building the bridge and not have motorists going to neighbour bridges to escape the toll. In conclusion, imo the bridges tolled should
1. Putney Bridge
2. Chiswick Bridge
3. Wandsworth Bridge depending if drivers can drive from one of the ends and cross to escape the new toll.
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 19, 2021 20:56:43 GMT
I read a reply tweet on the new double deck bridge proposal about tolling people from neighbouring bridges. I do agree with this as it would speed up the process of building the bridge and not have motorists going to neighbour bridges to escape the toll. In conclusion, imo the bridges tolled should 1. Putney Bridge 2. Chiswick Bridge 3. Wandsworth Bridge depending if drivers can drive from one of the ends and cross to escape the new toll. You just create a domino effect, people will plan their journies around the free bridges, and just compound the chaos. My sat nav is set to avoid tolls. |
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 19, 2021 21:08:08 GMT
I read a reply tweet on the new double deck bridge proposal about tolling people from neighbouring bridges. I do agree with this as it would speed up the process of building the bridge and not have motorists going to neighbour bridges to escape the toll. In conclusion, imo the bridges tolled should 1. Putney Bridge 2. Chiswick Bridge 3. Wandsworth Bridge depending if drivers can drive from one of the ends and cross to escape the new toll. You just create a domino effect, people will plan their journies around the free bridges, and just compound the chaos. My sat nav is set to avoid tolls. Completely agree here, why on earth would someone pay £3 when the bridge a few minutes down the road is free? The only way the Dartford Crossing gets away with it at the moment is because it's miles away from any other crossing. Really this should be free, the charge is going to backfire. |
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Post by LJ17THF on Mar 19, 2021 21:09:03 GMT
I read a reply tweet on the new double deck bridge proposal about tolling people from neighbouring bridges. I do agree with this as it would speed up the process of building the bridge and not have motorists going to neighbour bridges to escape the toll. In conclusion, imo the bridges tolled should 1. Putney Bridge 2. Chiswick Bridge 3. Wandsworth Bridge depending if drivers can drive from one of the ends and cross to escape the new toll. That's going to cause a disaster! Leave it as it is, people will continue to use the bridges that they are currently using, and if they want, they can return to Hammersmith Bridge. Tolling the surrounding bridges will only cause gridlock for bridges like Twickenham, Richmond and Battersea. The traffic in the surrounding bridges will decrease once Hammersmith reopens, there's no need to force them somewhere else. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 19, 2021 22:37:42 GMT
You just create a domino effect, people will plan their journies around the free bridges, and just compound the chaos. My sat nav is set to avoid tolls. Completely agree here, why on earth would someone pay £3 when the bridge a few minutes down the road is free? The only way the Dartford Crossing gets away with it at the moment is because it's miles away from any other crossing. Really this should be free, the charge is going to backfire. The only way you could genuinely do it is if a toll was placed on every bridge. |
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Post by dashing0ne on Mar 20, 2021 9:01:16 GMT
Where will the funding for the bridge come from? In the proposal they wanted to introduce 3 pound toll for Hammersmith Bridge, what is the chance of the toll being implemented?
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Post by Frenzie on Mar 23, 2021 17:16:52 GMT
Where will the funding for the bridge come from? In the proposal they wanted to introduce 3 pound toll for Hammersmith Bridge, what is the chance of the toll being implemented? Central government. They have unlimited money at the moment. |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 23, 2021 17:28:57 GMT
Where will the funding for the bridge come from? In the proposal they wanted to introduce 3 pound toll for Hammersmith Bridge, what is the chance of the toll being implemented? Central government. They have unlimited money at the moment. Governments do not have unlimited money. They raise money by placing gilts, on which they have to pay interest. Means a lot bigger share of government future income will go on interest payments rather than health, education, defence and the likes. |
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Post by wirewiper on Mar 23, 2021 18:17:15 GMT
Central government. They have unlimited money at the moment. Governments do not have unlimited money. They raise money by placing gilts, on which they have to pay interest. Means a lot bigger share of government future income will go on interest payments rather than health, education, defence and the likes. Interest rates are rock-bottom though. This is exactly the time to be investing in infrastructure, especially if doing so creates jobs which will increase tax revenues to the Government. |
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Post by Frenzie on Mar 23, 2021 18:17:41 GMT
Central government. They have unlimited money at the moment. Governments do not have unlimited money. They raise money by placing gilts, on which they have to pay interest. Means a lot bigger share of government future income will go on interest payments rather than health, education, defence and the likes. Well the way they’re wasting it at the moment means it pretty much is unlimited. The amount of corruption is unbelievable. Nothing but playing politics if they refuse to fund the repair of the bridge. |
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2021 18:35:24 GMT
Governments do not have unlimited money. They raise money by placing gilts, on which they have to pay interest. Means a lot bigger share of government future income will go on interest payments rather than health, education, defence and the likes. Interest rates are rock-bottom though. This is exactly the time to be investing in infrastructure, especially if doing so creates jobs which will increase tax revenues to the Government. What’s that famous saying - “speculate to accumulate” |
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Post by SILENCED on Mar 23, 2021 19:17:15 GMT
Governments do not have unlimited money. They raise money by placing gilts, on which they have to pay interest. Means a lot bigger share of government future income will go on interest payments rather than health, education, defence and the likes. Interest rates are rock-bottom though. This is exactly the time to be investing in infrastructure, especially if doing so creates jobs which will increase tax revenues to the Government. I agree with you, but the national debt is £4t. Cheapest interest is 0.76% ... that is a minium of £30.4 billion. That is more than the budget of the majority of departments, so whilst debt is cheap ... it is still a huge sum. If you think that is trivial, then fair enough. Why can't H&F borrow at public sector rates if it is so cheap! If you can not think of better things to do with that kind of money, you should stand for mayor! |
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. It think it may very well be that in the case double decks won't be allowed. Really love the idea, quick, fairly chaeap and feasible! I doubt DD's will still be able to come due to height now but long 12m single-decks can on busy routes 72 and 33. I think, if this is to go ahead which I strongly hope, the 72 and 33 can recieve buses like on 521 and 507, except seated. I think this has a good chance of happening as they are electric and long. I also think this is absolutley fine as there are a few places in the capital where simply DD's can't run due to height, in fact it will be so weird seeing a decker on the routes, it will keep them unique.
