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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2021 12:18:59 GMT
Welcome news. I know it's hard to believe when we almost had DDs ordered for the 72 but even being opening to just pedestrians is a massive improvement in reality as once again the 33, 209, 419 and 485 can get people within a 15 min walk of Hammersmith bus station. Indeed , it will reduce demand on the 533 as well , however I do think their is scope for the 209 to be extended from Mortlake to Hammersmith via 533 permanently (with 533 withdrawn). Passenger numbers on the 33 will increase as well. Good news.
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Post by thelondonthing on Jun 19, 2021 23:18:52 GMT
TfL has published details of upcoming revisions to the 533 on the Bus Changes page. From 3 July, the 533 will run non-stop between Hammersmith Bridge Road and Mortlake Cemetery; and will no longer serve Hammersmith Upper Bus Station. The route will continue to operate at the current frequencies. As TfL periodically deletes the content of that page when it becomes out of date, I've reproduced the full announcement below, for future reference:
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 20, 2021 8:13:54 GMT
TfL has published details of upcoming revisions to the 533 on the Bus Changes page. From 3 July, the 533 will run non-stop between Hammersmith Bridge Road and Mortlake Cemetery; and will no longer serve Hammersmith Upper Bus Station. The route will continue to operate at the current frequencies. As TfL periodically deletes the content of that page when it becomes out of date, I've reproduced the full announcement below, for future reference: It’s a shame as the round the corner link from Chiswick to Mortlake and Barnes was useful and may have helped to reduce the number of car journeys over Chiswick Bridge.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2021 13:30:31 GMT
TfL has published details of upcoming revisions to the 533 on the Bus Changes page. From 3 July, the 533 will run non-stop between Hammersmith Bridge Road and Mortlake Cemetery; and will no longer serve Hammersmith Upper Bus Station. The route will continue to operate at the current frequencies. As TfL periodically deletes the content of that page when it becomes out of date, I've reproduced the full announcement below, for future reference: It’s a shame as the round the corner link from Chiswick to Mortlake and Barnes was useful and may have helped to reduce the number of car journeys over Chiswick Bridge. Yes, also the connection with the E3 is lost.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 20, 2021 16:20:41 GMT
I wonder if they found that people trying to reach Barnes couldn't get on the bus as people were using it from Hammersmith to stops along the 190 route.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 20, 2021 20:22:08 GMT
I wonder if they found that people trying to reach Barnes couldn't get on the bus as people were using it from Hammersmith to stops along the 190 route. Yes I expect so, particularly since the 190 is now even slower along King Street and Chiswick High Road due to the cycle lanes taking out the westbound bus lane.
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Post by dashing0ne on Jun 22, 2021 6:34:38 GMT
I don't understand why Mortlake would ever need an extra service, the 209 and 378 are always empty!
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 22, 2021 7:06:21 GMT
I don't understand why Mortlake would ever need an extra service, the 209 and 378 are always empty! The 533 definitely justifies itself and as has been mentioned the two of them could be merged for the time being to save costs.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 22, 2021 12:41:05 GMT
I don't understand why Mortlake would ever need an extra service, the 209 and 378 are always empty! The 533 definitely justifies itself and as has been mentioned the two of them could be merged for the time being to save costs. I think the 533 is certainly needed as you say, but perhaps not the combined capacity of the 209/533 between Mortlake and Castelnau. I've previously suggested that the 209 should simply have been extended via Chiswick Bridge back to Hammersmith, at the appropriate frequency, rather than introducing the 533 alongside. I'm also not sure if the 378 will be needed after the 485 gets increased to every 15 minutes (which could go up to every 12 if the 378 were to be withdrawn). The 485 will maintain the District Line link, but at East Putney instead. The area around Barnes Bridge Station is not far from the 485 at Barnes Pond, and the Avondale Road terminus is quite close to the 337 route towards Putney. There's also the SWR stations available, which may be quicker anyway than taking a bus to a tube station.
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Post by vjaska on Jun 22, 2021 13:23:55 GMT
The 533 definitely justifies itself and as has been mentioned the two of them could be merged for the time being to save costs. I think the 533 is certainly needed as you say, but perhaps not the combined capacity of the 209/533 between Mortlake and Castelnau. I've previously suggested that the 209 should simply have been extended via Chiswick Bridge back to Hammersmith, at the appropriate frequency, rather than introducing the 533 alongside. I'm also not sure if the 378 will be needed after the 485 gets increased to every 15 minutes (which could go up to every 12 if the 378 were to be withdrawn). The 485 will maintain the District Line link, but at East Putney instead. The area around Barnes Bridge Station is not far from the 485 at Barnes Pond, and the Avondale Road terminus is quite close to the 337 route towards Putney. There's also the SWR stations available, which may be quicker anyway than taking a bus to a tube station. Avondale Road should still be served though as any less able people would unlikely be able to walk to the 337 via the footbridge over the railway. Ideally, the 485 should of been combined into the current 209 & 378 to give a Wandsworth to Hammersmith Bridge routing still serving Avondale Road with the 533 left to do what it currently does and the 419 taking over the Wetlands double run.
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Post by LondonNorthern on Jun 22, 2021 15:08:16 GMT
The 533 definitely justifies itself and as has been mentioned the two of them could be merged for the time being to save costs. I think the 533 is certainly needed as you say, but perhaps not the combined capacity of the 209/533 between Mortlake and Castelnau. I've previously suggested that the 209 should simply have been extended via Chiswick Bridge back to Hammersmith, at the appropriate frequency, rather than introducing the 533 alongside. I'm also not sure if the 378 will be needed after the 485 gets increased to every 15 minutes (which could go up to every 12 if the 378 were to be withdrawn). The 485 will maintain the District Line link, but at East Putney instead. The area around Barnes Bridge Station is not far from the 485 at Barnes Pond, and the Avondale Road terminus is quite close to the 337 route towards Putney. There's also the SWR stations available, which may be quicker anyway than taking a bus to a tube station. The 209 provides a few local links that would be lost if it was removed up to Castlenau, Castlenau would lose their link to Barnes Bridge Station for trains and the shops and given how angry locals are by the closure of Hammersmith Bridge, it is a very fragile area and I would probably not do that.
You could probably merge the 485, 378 & 209 as a Castlenau to Wandsworth via Mortlake Bus Station route but there would be downsides such as Barnes Pond losing their direct link to Putney Bridge for interchange onto other routes (E Putney is not a great interchange) and there would be a less direct service between Castlenau and Putney Bridge. This would likely be numbered 485.
I do hope however this doesn't turn into a 241/541 situation where it's been mentioned people switched to other methods of transport due to the constant disruption to the route and as a result some locals noted that section decreased in usage.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 22, 2021 15:32:21 GMT
I think the 533 is certainly needed as you say, but perhaps not the combined capacity of the 209/533 between Mortlake and Castelnau. I've previously suggested that the 209 should simply have been extended via Chiswick Bridge back to Hammersmith, at the appropriate frequency, rather than introducing the 533 alongside. I'm also not sure if the 378 will be needed after the 485 gets increased to every 15 minutes (which could go up to every 12 if the 378 were to be withdrawn). The 485 will maintain the District Line link, but at East Putney instead. The area around Barnes Bridge Station is not far from the 485 at Barnes Pond, and the Avondale Road terminus is quite close to the 337 route towards Putney. There's also the SWR stations available, which may be quicker anyway than taking a bus to a tube station. The 209 provides a few local links that would be lost if it was removed up to Castlenau, Castlenau would lose their link to Barnes Bridge Station for trains and the shops and given how angry locals are by the closure of Hammersmith Bridge, it is a very fragile area and I would probably not do that.
You could probably merge the 485, 378 & 209 as a Castlenau to Wandsworth via Mortlake Bus Station route but there would be downsides such as Barnes Pond losing their direct link to Putney Bridge for interchange onto other routes (E Putney is not a great interchange) and there would be a less direct service between Castlenau and Putney Bridge. This would likely be numbered 485. I do hope however this doesn't turn into a 241/541 situation where it's been mentioned people switched to other methods of transport due to the constant disruption to the route and as a result some locals noted that section decreased in usage.
Barnes Bridge would still be linked to Castlenau by the 419 which arguably gets there quicker.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jun 22, 2021 18:49:28 GMT
I think the 533 is certainly needed as you say, but perhaps not the combined capacity of the 209/533 between Mortlake and Castelnau. I've previously suggested that the 209 should simply have been extended via Chiswick Bridge back to Hammersmith, at the appropriate frequency, rather than introducing the 533 alongside. I'm also not sure if the 378 will be needed after the 485 gets increased to every 15 minutes (which could go up to every 12 if the 378 were to be withdrawn). The 485 will maintain the District Line link, but at East Putney instead. The area around Barnes Bridge Station is not far from the 485 at Barnes Pond, and the Avondale Road terminus is quite close to the 337 route towards Putney. There's also the SWR stations available, which may be quicker anyway than taking a bus to a tube station. The 209 provides a few local links that would be lost if it was removed up to Castlenau, Castlenau would lose their link to Barnes Bridge Station for trains and the shops and given how angry locals are by the closure of Hammersmith Bridge, it is a very fragile area and I would probably not do that.
You could probably merge the 485, 378 & 209 as a Castlenau to Wandsworth via Mortlake Bus Station route but there would be downsides such as Barnes Pond losing their direct link to Putney Bridge for interchange onto other routes (E Putney is not a great interchange) and there would be a less direct service between Castlenau and Putney Bridge. This would likely be numbered 485.
I do hope however this doesn't turn into a 241/541 situation where it's been mentioned people switched to other methods of transport due to the constant disruption to the route and as a result some locals noted that section decreased in usage.
My suggestion would be for the 209/533 to continue serving Avondale Road as a double run, so would not be left without a service. Not sure how many passengers currently use the 378 end to end, as this link was not available before the bridge closure. For any passengers going via Putney Bridge Station for longer journeys, it would likely be easier to use SWR directly from Mortlake or Barnes Bridge, and my revised 209 would link to the tube at Hammersmith via Chiswick Bridge. And regarding the footbridge, depending on where passengers are travelling to/from, they could use the nearby road crossings over the railway to get to the 337 line of route. I would also consider rerouteing the 419 away from Roehampton to merge with the revised 485, going from Richmond to Wandsworth Riverside via Castelnau, which would retain the Mortlake to Putney link, though less directly. The Roehampton section could be covered by rerouteing the 265 to Castelnau, then extend the 72 via Putney Bridge and Putney Common (with a DD conversion). This would also relieve the busy 220 along Fulham Palace Road, and provide an alternative direct service to the 533 from Hammersmith to the Barnes area.
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Post by rm1422 on Jul 15, 2021 12:54:02 GMT
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Post by southlondonbus on Jul 15, 2021 13:08:38 GMT
With the exception with a drop in demand slightly on the 533, I'd say only the 209 may need a slight increase to cater for people going from Mortlake to the bridge then walking. This is good news thou atleast being able to walk across it.
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