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Post by TNL33036 on Apr 5, 2017 17:25:53 GMT
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Post by Dillon95 on Apr 6, 2017 16:24:25 GMT
I can't see this catching on.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 6, 2017 23:04:23 GMT
They look stupid, I bet Uber would be running this kind of system soon.
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Post by portman227 on Apr 6, 2017 23:27:48 GMT
In general, The whole point of driving is to get the driving experience, control the vehicle, acceleration and it's various settings. Serious problems can escalate with driverless vehicles, it can very be easily thwarted by incorrect gps, bad weather, and it's unlikeliness that it can adapt to the 100 many different driving patterns and hazards on the road.
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 7, 2017 0:23:21 GMT
In general, The whole point of driving is to get the driving experience, control the vehicle, acceleration and it's various settings. Serious problems can escalate with driverless vehicles, it can very be easily thwarted by incorrect gps, bad weather, and it's unlikeliness that it can adapt to the 100 many different driving patterns and hazards on the road. I agree but that's probably similar to what they said when the Victoria line started to run , the technology for this is here now and getting better and better the Tesla S can practically drive itself already bar a few serious hiccups but it won't be long i don't think another 10 years before we see driverless cars in show rooms no more uber Vs black cabs no wages to pay drivers the worlds going to change a lot in the next 15 years . |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 7, 2017 10:31:35 GMT
In general, The whole point of driving is to get the driving experience, control the vehicle, acceleration and it's various settings. Serious problems can escalate with driverless vehicles, it can very be easily thwarted by incorrect gps, bad weather, and it's unlikeliness that it can adapt to the 100 many different driving patterns and hazards on the road. I agree but that's probably similar to what they said when the Victoria line started to run , the technology for this is here now and getting better and better the Tesla S can practically drive itself already bar a few serious hiccups but it won't be long i don't think another 10 years before we see driverless cars in show rooms no more uber Vs black cabs no wages to pay drivers the worlds going to change a lot in the next 15 years . I think you may be right in the long term. However, despite the undoubted billions of dollars behind this technology, I think there are massive problems with it. 1. The technology will take ages to refine. There are simply too many variables on the roads and humans are too unpredictable. 2. I expect there will be deaths and serious injuries during the trials which will cause a lot of public concern (and quite right too). 3. I expect there will be pressure on governments to constrain human interraction with highways thus turning roads more into railways so automated vehicles can operate with fewer technological or legislative safeguards. Not sure people will accept these constraints. 4. I think people will be concerned about using driverless "pod" type vehicles in terms of vehicular safety and also personal safety if the vehicle is shared. 5. I think there is likely to mass resistance when it dawns on people that bus drivers, bus mechanics, taxi drivers, repair businesses, minicabs, lorry drivers etc etc all face losing their jobs en masse if there is a large take up of the technology. Massive business closure and unemployment tends not to be politically popular and people can choose, to some extent, if they want to see this technology adopted or not. 6. There are obvious risks around loss of competition and choice and monopoly power if the technology is controlled by only one or two corporations. That is clearly the aim of people like Google. 7. Driverless vehicles are not the answer to road congestion *at all*. They are potentially a disaster for the effect of working of towns and cities. 8. Widespread use of driverless vehicles will do little for people's health if it makes us all so lazy we can't even be bothered to walk to the local shops. As you might guess I'm not exactly a fan of driverless technology on the roads. I've no great issue with it on purpose designed metro systems where it can be very effective. |
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Post by SILENCED on Apr 7, 2017 10:45:26 GMT
I agree but that's probably similar to what they said when the Victoria line started to run , the technology for this is here now and getting better and better the Tesla S can practically drive itself already bar a few serious hiccups but it won't be long i don't think another 10 years before we see driverless cars in show rooms no more uber Vs black cabs no wages to pay drivers the worlds going to change a lot in the next 15 years . I think you may be right in the long term. However, despite the undoubted billions of dollars behind this technology, I think there are massive problems with it. 1. The technology will take ages to refine. There are simply too many variables on the roads and humans are too unpredictable. 2. I expect there will be deaths and serious injuries during the trials which will cause a lot of public concern (and quite right too). 3. I expect there will be pressure on governments to constrain human interraction with highways thus turning roads more into railways so automated vehicles can operate with fewer technological or legislative safeguards. Not sure people will accept these constraints. 4. I think people will be concerned about using driverless "pod" type vehicles in terms of vehicular safety and also personal safety if the vehicle is shared. 5. I think there is likely to mass resistance when it dawns on people that bus drivers, bus mechanics, taxi drivers, repair businesses, minicabs, lorry drivers etc etc all face losing their jobs en masse if there is a large take up of the technology. Massive business closure and unemployment tends not to be politically popular and people can choose, to some extent, if they want to see this technology adopted or not. 6. There are obvious risks around loss of competition and choice and monopoly power if the technology is controlled by only one or two corporations. That is clearly the aim of people like Google. 7. Driverless vehicles are not the answer to road congestion *at all*. They are potentially a disaster for the effect of working of towns and cities. 8. Widespread use of driverless vehicles will do little for people's health if it makes us all so lazy we can't even be bothered to walk to the local shops. As you might guess I'm not exactly a fan of driverless technology on the roads. I've no great issue with it on purpose designed metro systems where it can be very effective. All valid points .... But how many accidents do we have where vehicles are controlled by humans .... The roads are already the least safest method of transport ... a computer will not get distracted on a nice sunny day by the young lady in the short skirt. AI has reached the point where driverless vehicles should be technically feasible ... Just needs to be mastered. |
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Post by snoggle on Apr 7, 2017 11:02:17 GMT
All valid points .... But how many accidents do we have where vehicles are controlled by humans .... The roads are already the least safest method of transport ... a computer will not get distracted on a nice sunny day by the young lady in the short skirt. AI has reached the point where driverless vehicles should be technically feasible ... Just needs to be mastered. Yes that's a perfectly fair and accurate response. However humans have been led to associate "driving" with "freedom" and "personal expression" and a whole load of other advertising b*ll*cks and I believe those associations will be hard to break. We also have a complelely irrational, illogical and ridiculous "acceptance" of road and driving related deaths and injuries which we do not accept with railways or airlines or many other activities. I doubt we will give computers and artificial intelligence that same "break" we give ourselves when it comes to killing road users and pedestrians with vehicles. Societies seem more than willing to be hypocritical about cars and drivers but not on many other things. And I wonder how the computer will react when the pod it is driving is destablilised by the gang of drunk blokes all jumping around inside and lungeing at the window to look at the passing short skirted young lady? I bet that's a risk they haven't considered or put in the programming?   |
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Post by capitalomnibus on Apr 10, 2017 23:28:07 GMT
I think you may be right in the long term. However, despite the undoubted billions of dollars behind this technology, I think there are massive problems with it. 1. The technology will take ages to refine. There are simply too many variables on the roads and humans are too unpredictable. 2. I expect there will be deaths and serious injuries during the trials which will cause a lot of public concern (and quite right too). 3. I expect there will be pressure on governments to constrain human interraction with highways thus turning roads more into railways so automated vehicles can operate with fewer technological or legislative safeguards. Not sure people will accept these constraints. 4. I think people will be concerned about using driverless "pod" type vehicles in terms of vehicular safety and also personal safety if the vehicle is shared. 5. I think there is likely to mass resistance when it dawns on people that bus drivers, bus mechanics, taxi drivers, repair businesses, minicabs, lorry drivers etc etc all face losing their jobs en masse if there is a large take up of the technology. Massive business closure and unemployment tends not to be politically popular and people can choose, to some extent, if they want to see this technology adopted or not. 6. There are obvious risks around loss of competition and choice and monopoly power if the technology is controlled by only one or two corporations. That is clearly the aim of people like Google. 7. Driverless vehicles are not the answer to road congestion *at all*. They are potentially a disaster for the effect of working of towns and cities. 8. Widespread use of driverless vehicles will do little for people's health if it makes us all so lazy we can't even be bothered to walk to the local shops. As you might guess I'm not exactly a fan of driverless technology on the roads. I've no great issue with it on purpose designed metro systems where it can be very effective. All valid points .... But how many accidents do we have where vehicles are controlled by humans .... The roads are already the least safest method of transport ... a computer will not get distracted on a nice sunny day by the young lady in the short skirt. AI has reached the point where driverless vehicles should be technically feasible ... Just needs to be mastered. Nah it would be instead be distracted by being hacked, by either terrorists, or various governments of other countries. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 11:40:33 GMT
I do not think it will catch on, the public need the driver, otherwise they have no one to moan at or abuse.
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Post by busman on Apr 11, 2017 12:55:03 GMT
I do not think it will catch on, the public need the driver, otherwise they have no one to moan at or abuse. Having ridden in an automated vehicle, I think we are some way off having no driver in a vehicle. Instead the role of the driver might change. Thinking specifically about buses, I imagine that could mean drivers focusing on passengers i.e. door operation, passenger communication, fare validation etc. Manual operation may be required when an emergency stop sensor is triggered, or when no-one will let you pull away, or in an unexpected emergency such as an unscheduled diversion. I think the biggest impact we see could be in private cars. Automation could dramatically overcome difficulties around parking restrictions, tiredness and other factors that push people towards public transport. If not managed carefully, driverless vehicles could actually result in more traffic on our streets. But overall I think that just as automatic gears and cruise control have been accepted, enhanced computing power will be leveraged to further automate the driving experience. It's just a matter of how we use the technology. |
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Post by joefrombow on Apr 16, 2017 0:27:38 GMT
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Post by snoggle on Apr 16, 2017 22:04:21 GMT
Wouldn't last 5 minutes trying to get in lane at the Blackwall Tunnel in the AM peak. |
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