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Post by LT 20181 on Jun 3, 2019 10:06:40 GMT
I wonder where the 391 will stand in Hammersmith when these changes happen. I was in Hammersmith on Saturday and the upper bus station looks tight for standing space with 9, 23, 211, 267 and H91 all terminating there. The 391 and maybe the new 218 could stand in the lower bus station in the 266’s stand which would be cut back to Acton at the same time.
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Post by COBO on Jun 3, 2019 10:38:12 GMT
I wonder where the 391 will stand in Hammersmith when these changes happen. I was in Hammersmith on Saturday and the upper bus station looks tight for standing space with 9, 23, 211, 267 and H91 all terminating there. The Lower Bus has been empty since the Hammersmith Bridge closed so maybe the 391 will stand there.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jun 3, 2019 10:54:22 GMT
The 391 will have to serve the upper bus station aswell thou to match a common stop with the 27/190/267/H91 onwards to Chiswick High Road and to meet demand changing from the 27 now.
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Post by evergreenadam on Jun 3, 2019 11:42:45 GMT
I wonder where the 391 will stand in Hammersmith when these changes happen. I was in Hammersmith on Saturday and the upper bus station looks tight for standing space with 9, 23, 211, 267 and H91 all terminating there. The Lower Bus has been empty since the Hammersmith Bridge closed so maybe the 391 will stand there. 266, 72 and 533 still picking up passengers there. Certainly not empty.
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Post by COBO on Jun 3, 2019 11:48:51 GMT
The Lower Bus has been empty since the Hammersmith Bridge closed so maybe the 391 will stand there. 266, 72 and 533 still picking up passengers there. Certainly not empty. I meant stand are empty bar the 266, 283 and 533.
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Post by rif153 on Jun 3, 2019 12:01:03 GMT
The 391 will have to serve the upper bus station aswell thou to match a common stop with the 27/190/267/H91 onwards to Chiswick High Road and to meet demand changing from the 27 now. The 283 stands in the Lower Bus Station then goes into the Upper Bus Station to share a common stop with the 72, 220, and 295. I would imagine the 391 will do the same, it would be madness if it didn't. The interesting thing will be the 218 and 306. I would imagine the 218 will stand in the Lower Bus Station as the 266 currently does as stated by someone else earlier. How will a common stop for Askew Road be created? The Upper Bus Station can be absoloutely gridlocked with buses at times so adding the 218 and 306 at the Chiswick High Road stop may seem a logical solution but that'll just cause more bunching at an already very busy stop in terms of buses. There's no way that the 306 will serve the Lower Bus Station because that will waste so much time having to circle Butterwick. Conclusion: There will be no common stop at either Hammersmith Bus Station for the 218 and 306 towards Acton. TFL want the 218 to use the current 266 stand so the empty 218's starting at Hammersmith can soak up most of the demand for passengers who are used to boarding 266's in the Lower Bus Station. If you want Acton and don't care which route you get, wait at King's Mall Shopping Centre
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Post by COBO on Jun 17, 2019 21:14:42 GMT
So will 218 and 306 be launched this year?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 15:42:17 GMT
I have an strong feeling the 427 cutback will be axed
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Post by foxhat on Jun 28, 2019 15:54:39 GMT
I have an strong feeling the 427 cutback will be axed Any reason why? TfL did say they intend to progress. Th extension to Southall Waterside cannot take place until the housing developments have been built
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2019 16:02:06 GMT
I have an strong feeling the 427 cutback will be axed Any reason why? TfL did say they intend to progress. Th extension to Southall Waterside cannot take place until the housing developments have been built One reason being that Abellio have just won the 270 and the 427's contract date starts on the 11th April and the 270 could have been awarded with the 427s buses but has been awarded with new buses although it could possibly change, another reason being that the 207 and 607 may struggle along the rest of Uxbridge Road without the 427
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Post by vjaska on Jun 28, 2019 16:23:42 GMT
Any reason why? TfL did say they intend to progress. Th extension to Southall Waterside cannot take place until the housing developments have been built One reason being that Abellio have just won the 270 and the 427's contract date starts on the 11th April and the 270 could have been awarded with the 427s buses but has been awarded with new buses although it could possibly change, another reason being that the 207 and 607 may struggle along the rest of Uxbridge Road without the 427 It won't be the 207 that will be affected as the 207 terminates not too far away - the 607 on the other hand will likely struggle immensely having to carry it's passengers plus displaced 427 passengers. I hope the 427 cut is reversed (sorry Hassaan ) but I don't see it happening.
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Post by Hassaan on Jun 28, 2019 23:08:57 GMT
One reason being that Abellio have just won the 270 and the 427's contract date starts on the 11th April and the 270 could have been awarded with the 427s buses but has been awarded with new buses although it could possibly change, another reason being that the 207 and 607 may struggle along the rest of Uxbridge Road without the 427 It won't be the 207 that will be affected as the 207 terminates not too far away - the 607 on the other hand will likely struggle immensely having to carry it's passengers plus displaced 427 passengers. I hope the 427 cut is reversed (sorry Hassaan ) but I don't see it happening. The 207 (and other parallel "normal" routes) will struggle too as the passengers who need the intermediate stops will have no other choice. Having been on the 427 a few times recently I really think losing that will cause a lot of issues trying to board other buses in the area. Last Sunday even after 2230 my bus had most seats taken when I boarded at Ealing Broadway towards Southall. It is a shame because that South Road to The Broadway link is also really required and Ealing council have been wanting it since at least 2011 (paragraph 21.45 in the 2011 Borough Bus Review, several other interesting bits in there).
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Post by rif153 on Jun 29, 2019 6:51:08 GMT
It won't be the 207 that will be affected as the 207 terminates not too far away - the 607 on the other hand will likely struggle immensely having to carry it's passengers plus displaced 427 passengers. I hope the 427 cut is reversed (sorry Hassaan ) but I don't see it happening. The 207 (and other parallel "normal" routes) will struggle too as the passengers who need the intermediate stops will have no other choice. Having been on the 427 a few times recently I really think losing that will cause a lot of issues trying to board other buses in the area. Last Sunday even after 2230 my bus had most seats taken when I boarded at Ealing Broadway towards Southall. It is a shame because that South Road to The Broadway link is also really required and Ealing council have been wanting it since at least 2011 (paragraph 21.45 in the 2011 Borough Bus Review, several other interesting bits in there). I use both the 207 and 427 regularly and I agree that the 427 cut is a nonesense. Both routes are very well used and at peak hours there's no chance the 207 will be able to pick up all the slack. The 207 recently had a frequency cut down from 12bph to 10bph, perhaps this is TfL adressing superfluous capacity on the Uxbridge Road the short term but I really think the frequency cut was nonsenscial and uncalled for. Sadly, I don't think the 207's frequency will increase when the 427 is cut which is a crying shame really. The 607 should also get a frequency increase when the 427 is cut although that is unlikely to happen.
Hassan, I have a question for you. Were you suprised when you found out about the 427 cut? I have to say since the 207 reverted to conventionals I always had a sneaking suspicion there'd be some rationalisation
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Post by rif153 on Jun 29, 2019 7:14:24 GMT
Any reason why? TfL did say they intend to progress. Th extension to Southall Waterside cannot take place until the housing developments have been built One reason being that Abellio have just won the 270 and the 427's contract date starts on the 11th April and the 270 could have been awarded with the 427s buses but has been awarded with new buses although it could possibly change, another reason being that the 207 and 607 may struggle along the rest of Uxbridge Road without the 427 The 207 and 607 will get hammered when the 427 cut goes ahead but this won't deter TfL. TfL are unfraid to cut many well used routes, they want to cut 'spare capacity' the 190/267/391/H91 are - in my experience - struggling now there are no 27s filling up along Chiswick High Road to alleviate the pressure on those routes. The 177 will get hammered between Woolwich and Greenwich once the 180 is cut, that's not going to make TfL reverse the cutback.
Its entirely possible Abellio order new MMCs for the 270 and then when the 427s cutback eventually goes ahead, the MMCs can be reallocated elswhere pushing out some older buses in Abellio's fleet or used for an existing vehicles bid
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Post by met120 on Jun 29, 2019 9:09:48 GMT
TFL should’ve extended the H32 or 482 along the broadway when they thought of the consultation. The 427 should be left alone. I won’t be surprised if TFL cut the frequency of the 207 again to 8 minutes.
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