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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 6, 2019 10:04:23 GMT
33 would be good. It does struggle still up to Castlenau in the mornings and since the 337 is dropping in freq a little, the bit of extra capacity would be welcome out of Richmond aswell.
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Post by george on Dec 6, 2019 10:12:58 GMT
Didn't the 440 start a new contract in May In the current climate I can't see a mid contract vehicle change, even if VHs come free next year from 285 and 139 I think there’s definitely a plan to convert something to DD when you consider the recent 326 award was existing SD. My money is on the 72 or 33. I can no longer seeing it be the 72, passenger numbers have declined since it was withdrawn from Hammersmith Bridge to Roehampton. My choices would be either the 33 or 371.
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Post by busaholic on Dec 6, 2019 10:54:23 GMT
Articulated trolleybus would be even better. Ooh, yes pls 🤗 They certainly exist, even in right hand drive form, I believe and the area we are talking about was very much trolleybus territory. In fact the proportion of trolleybuses to motor buses was probably higher here than almost anywhere else in London, other perhaps than Finchley, Waltham Cross and the Hertford Road or the V and A Docks area.
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 6, 2019 11:33:39 GMT
33 would be good. It does struggle still up to Castlenau in the mornings and since the 337 is dropping in freq a little, the bit of extra capacity would be welcome out of Richmond aswell. Would a DD fit the turning arrangements at Castelnau? If so then DD would be a sensible response.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2019 12:51:16 GMT
33 would be good. It does struggle still up to Castlenau in the mornings and since the 337 is dropping in freq a little, the bit of extra capacity would be welcome out of Richmond aswell. Would a DD fit the turning arrangements at Castelnau? If so then DD would be a sensible response. Until the bridge reopens of course because the stop gap repair can't handle larger buses.
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Post by rj131 on Dec 6, 2019 13:06:10 GMT
I think there’s definitely a plan to convert something to DD when you consider the recent 326 award was existing SD. My money is on the 72 or 33. I can no longer seeing it be the 72, passenger numbers have declined since it was withdrawn from Hammersmith Bridge to Roehampton. My choices would be either the 33 or 371. You’re right definitely not in the 72’s current state and routing. The 72 in my eyes was a very sad case of being a victim of outside circumstances that couldn’t be helped. The bridge closure forced it to be changed and without that north-south link that proved so popular it was never going to stand a chance of being as busy as before. Not like the 11 that declined completely of its own accord because of how slow it became. If this temporary Hammersmith Bridge does happen (which is looking like it hopefully will) and the 72 is restored to its former glory then it definitely should be decked. I have no doubt that if/when its restored to how it was, the people would go flocking back to it. When that happens it definitely should be decked and I don’t think it will take TfL long to do so as they were already planning on it. Even ordered deckers for it and issued it on a special four year contract due to them planning the change
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Post by george on Dec 6, 2019 13:32:03 GMT
I can no longer seeing it be the 72, passenger numbers have declined since it was withdrawn from Hammersmith Bridge to Roehampton. My choices would be either the 33 or 371. You’re right definitely not in the 72’s current state and routing. The 72 in my eyes was a very sad case of being a victim of outside circumstances that couldn’t be helped. The bridge closure forced it to be changed and without that north-south link that proved so popular it was never going to stand a chance of being as busy as before. Not like the 11 that declined completely of its own accord because of how slow it became. If this temporary Hammersmith Bridge does happen (which is looking like it hopefully will) and the 72 is restored to its former glory then it definitely should be decked. I have no doubt that if/when its restored to how it was, the people would go flocking back to it. When that happens it definitely should be decked and I don’t think it will take TfL long to do so as they were already planning on it. Even ordered deckers for it and issued it on a special four year contract due to them planning the change Yeah route is nothing like it used to be. All buses used to be packed at Hammersmith.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2019 13:44:02 GMT
I can see the 440 being converted to DD in near future becaise I think that the extention of the 440 to Wembley will become very popular. I think ridership will go up, maybe not that far though. A route which has grown from extremely humble beginnings. I remember first catching the E4 which was hourly Mon-Sat through West Acton between Park Royal Asda and Chiswick Grove Hotel.
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Post by kenmet on Dec 6, 2019 14:21:44 GMT
33 would be good. It does struggle still up to Castlenau in the mornings and since the 337 is dropping in freq a little, the bit of extra capacity would be welcome out of Richmond aswell. Would a DD fit the turning arrangements at Castelnau? If so then DD would be a sensible response. There is no problem with double deckers as far as I'm aware.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2019 16:50:12 GMT
Would a DD fit the turning arrangements at Castelnau? If so then DD would be a sensible response. There is no problem with double deckers as far as I'm aware. Most likely residents might kick off as buses turn around via residential roads IIRC.
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Post by rm1422 on Dec 6, 2019 17:03:22 GMT
Would a DD fit the turning arrangements at Castelnau? If so then DD would be a sensible response. There is no problem with double deckers as far as I'm aware. Not so sure about this. Now that the DD's on the Roehampton University route 849 shuttle bus run up Castlenau towards the bridge, they don't use the turning point. Instead they travel all the way down Lonsdale Road to Barnes High Street. An interesting decision as the High Street is already struggling with wide vehicles. The left turn onto the High Street appears very tight as well. Timetable here...
I have to say I've yet to see an 849 with more than 20 people on it. It seems to be a very random service with buses sitting for long periods at stops because they're running early. I've even seen one in service southbound blocking the bottom of Roehampton Lane with regular buses and general traffic struggling to get round it.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 6, 2019 17:56:52 GMT
I think there’s definitely a plan to convert something to DD when you consider the recent 326 award was existing SD. My money is on the 72 or 33. I can no longer seeing it be the 72, passenger numbers have declined since it was withdrawn from Hammersmith Bridge to Roehampton. My choices would be either the 33 or 371. I believe there's an issue with longer buses on the 326. Consequently, it would seem that DEs will need to be released for the 326 so this makes matters more interesting as it rules out any route currently using DLEs including the 216, 411, or 423 - unless a busy SD route is decked with the DLEs moving to a route currently allocated with DEs releasing DEs for the 326, but, whilst not impossible, the amount of hassle involved in that makes me think its unlikely it will occur
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Post by george on Dec 7, 2019 8:53:11 GMT
Looks like 391 is using the H91 stand not quite so how there is enough room for the 391 there.
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Post by COBO on Dec 7, 2019 17:38:58 GMT
I wonder how people have dealt with the big changes.
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Post by COBO on Dec 7, 2019 17:40:38 GMT
Looks like 391 is using the H91 stand not quite so how there is enough room for the 391 there. What’s the H91s using?
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