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Post by snoggle on Feb 8, 2018 21:18:54 GMT
Oxford Street "transformation" route changes being brought forward 01-Sept 2018. To be honest I am surprised they are that late! I expected them no later than May. September gives 2½ months for the pedestrianisation work before Crossrail opens and that is nowhere near enough time for the scale of work that is envisaged. It takes weeks to put a cycle path in locally so the scale of work on Oxford St must be 6 months at least.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 8, 2018 21:26:21 GMT
Oxford Street "transformation" route changes being brought forward 01-Sept 2018. To be honest I am surprised they are that late! I expected them no later than May. September gives 2½ months for the pedestrianisation work before Crossrail opens and that is nowhere near enough time for the scale of work that is envisaged. It takes weeks to put a cycle path in locally so the scale of work on Oxford St must be 6 months at least. Not to mention just this week Westminster launched a competition to design the world's best Christmas lights for Oxford Street this year in order to welcome the Elizabeth Line, the area is going to be a right mess come October time in that case.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 21:46:33 GMT
The Selfridges end will be a complete mess until some way into 2019 as the Baker Street two-way works are getting further and further delayed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2018 21:48:05 GMT
As there will be about a two month gap, potentially more if Crossrail opening is delayed, I wonder if there will be any economic impact to the shops on Oxford Street with people being put off with such a long walk to get anywhere and/or to get them home...
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Post by snoggle on Feb 9, 2018 0:05:21 GMT
As there will be about a two month gap, potentially more if Crossrail opening is delayed, I wonder if there will be any economic impact to the shops on Oxford Street with people being put off with such a long walk to get anywhere and/or to get them home... No no - you forget, everybody loves walking in the wind, rain, hail, boiling sunshine, whatever when laden down with shopping bags. They also just adore slogging up and down stairs in tube stations and taking 10 minutes to get from street to platform. It'll all be *lovely*.
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Post by M1104 on Feb 9, 2018 0:28:14 GMT
I take it September 1st is for the 1st phase of closure between Oxford Circus and Selfridges?
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 9, 2018 6:22:45 GMT
As there will be about a two month gap, potentially more if Crossrail opening is delayed, I wonder if there will be any economic impact to the shops on Oxford Street with people being put off with such a long walk to get anywhere and/or to get them home... No no - you forget, everybody loves walking in the wind, rain, hail, boiling sunshine, whatever when laden down with shopping bags. They also just adore slogging up and down stairs in tube stations and taking 10 minutes to get from street to platform. It'll all be *lovely*. I will do "lovely" online shopping then Things will be a nightmare for work, the simple journey from Wardour Street to the other side of Oxford Street (Newman Street, Charlotte Street for example) will be a very difficult journey. And with the High Street dying, he's backed the wrong horse with this one. With TfL haemorrhaging money according to latest figures we could end up with an over budget, half abandoned shopping area... Tourist numbers will drop due to Brexit and terrorism fears, and where all the buses go will be inconvenient (they will be cut anyway)
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Post by snowman on Feb 9, 2018 7:18:00 GMT
I take it September 1st is for the 1st phase of closure between Oxford Circus and Selfridges? There is a lot of other changes that date, eg RATP needing buses for H12 and H14, weren’t they coming from 94 allocation, which just happens to currently use Oxford Street Is this date a complete closure or a staging date when some routes get changed (with other changes following few weeks later) ?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2018 8:02:11 GMT
I believe 01-Sept 2018 will be the Selfridges to Oxford Circus closure.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Feb 14, 2018 13:12:12 GMT
I don't remember exactly the other thread it was being discussed on, so I'll post it here.
It was mentioned the 9s contract might be the one that's terminated and not the 23 or the 10s one, with the 10s contract becoming the 9 and the 23s contract becoming the 10. Having looked online the 9s renewal date perfectly lines up with the date of the Oxford Street closure so I'd be quite surprised if this is not the case now.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 13:54:18 GMT
I don't remember exactly the other thread it was being discussed on, so I'll post it here. It was mentioned the 9s contract might be the one that's terminated and not the 23 or the 10s one, with the 10s contract becoming the 9 and the 23s contract becoming the 10. Having looked online the 9s renewal date perfectly lines up with the date of the Oxford Street closure so I'd be quite surprised if this is not the case now. Oh that's convenient! May also explain why its tender result still has not been announced yet!
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Post by ADH45258 on Feb 14, 2018 14:20:24 GMT
I don't remember exactly the other thread it was being discussed on, so I'll post it here. It was mentioned the 9s contract might be the one that's terminated and not the 23 or the 10s one, with the 10s contract becoming the 9 and the 23s contract becoming the 10. Having looked online the 9s renewal date perfectly lines up with the date of the Oxford Street closure so I'd be quite surprised if this is not the case now. If the 23 continues on its existing contract from X, I expect the route number for Hammersmith to Westbourne Park to remain the 23. Could the 390 be renumbered to the 10 in exchange (similar situation to the 13)? The 390 was originally formed by cutting the original route 10 (which operated from Hammersmith to Archway) - the 390 follows this route more accurately since rerouted to Victoria. Though in practice, route 390 would be withdrawn with the 10 're-routed' to Victoria, and extended from King's Cross to Archway. If this was the case, it would explain the late tender for route 390 as well. Often when changes affecting new contracts take place, the tender result of the affected route is delayed, but other routes in the same tranche are announced on time.
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Post by southlondonbus on Feb 14, 2018 14:22:04 GMT
I think the 209 was extended for another year anyways as according to london bus routes it has an 8 year contract. The reason given was the bridge and a future review of routes.
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Post by busaholic on Feb 14, 2018 21:47:33 GMT
I don't remember exactly the other thread it was being discussed on, so I'll post it here. It was mentioned the 9s contract might be the one that's terminated and not the 23 or the 10s one, with the 10s contract becoming the 9 and the 23s contract becoming the 10. Having looked online the 9s renewal date perfectly lines up with the date of the Oxford Street closure so I'd be quite surprised if this is not the case now. If the 23 continues on its existing contract from X, I expect the route number for Hammersmith to Westbourne Park to remain the 23. Could the 390 be renumbered to the 10 in exchange (similar situation to the 13)? The 390 was originally formed by cutting the original route 10 (which operated from Hammersmith to Archway) - the 390 follows this route more accurately since rerouted to Victoria. Though in practice, route 390 would be withdrawn with the 10 're-routed' to Victoria, and extended from King's Cross to Archway. If this was the case, it would explain the late tender for route 390 as well. Often when changes affecting new contracts take place, the tender result of the affected route is delayed, but other routes in the same tranche are announced on time. The 10 returns to Victoria!! Wonder if they could extend it at the northern end to Abridge (Blue Boar)?
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Post by busaholic on Feb 14, 2018 23:29:13 GMT
As there will be about a two month gap, potentially more if Crossrail opening is delayed, I wonder if there will be any economic impact to the shops on Oxford Street with people being put off with such a long walk to get anywhere and/or to get them home... It happened 20 years ago or so when the bit of Oxford Street between Baker Street and the Circus was closed off to all traffic while Westminster Council faffed around putting new bits of paving down, then digging it up again. It was definitely closed for around a year, and the shops (through the Oxford Street Association) got more and more desperate about the situation, quoting 15% downturn in footfall iirc. It'll happen again, and more than 15% this time too! The owners of the Westfields must be chortling with glee.
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