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Post by foxhat on Oct 19, 2018 6:56:27 GMT
It says it would like max of 4 routes so that is basically the go ahead to the 94, 113 and 159 being pulled out now and the 10 withdraw and 25 leaves just 4 between Oxo and Tottenham Court Road aswell. I'd expect to see some thinning at the other end with the 2,13,74,113,189 and 274 being classed as providing far too much cacapcity and atleast 1 or 2 routes being cut to Marble Arch. The 113 & 189 already terminate there, cutting the 13 to 274 back to Marble Arch will not solve the problem, so it's only between the 2 & 74. My bet would be on the 74.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 19, 2018 7:14:49 GMT
Maybe even the 2 aswell leaving just the 13 from Baker Street to Victoria. Maybe the 113 will stand in Portman Square.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 12:45:24 GMT
Had a wander around Hyde Park and Oxford Street yesterday. Some observations:
At the height of Saturday passenger traffic, 23s were at best carrying penny numbers to/from Hammersmith. Job done.
Almost every bus I saw on Oxford Street was busy to full, even 7s and 113s. 94s were seemingly the busiest buses, whereas surprisingly 139s were close to empty, more so than 159s!
Was there a wall of red vehicles? No. It was a wall of taxis and minicabs continuously stopping to pick up anyone and anything. Why is Oxford Street traffic so bad? Continual traffic lights and the plethora of non-bus vehicles.
Wigmore Street was very heavily congested and appeared unsuitable for ANY buses.
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Post by kmkcheng on Dec 29, 2018 12:57:14 GMT
At the height of Saturday passenger traffic, 23s were at best carrying penny numbers to/from Hammersmith. Job done. Taking into account it was one journey a couple of days ago, a friend went on the 23 from Hammersmith and along the way there were plenty of passengers boarding the bus asking the driver if he went to Oxford Street. Luckily for those passengers the driver was very helpful and told the passengers he will announce when to get off to change for the 390 to get to Oxford Street. There certainly still demand along the route for Oxford Street.
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Post by busaholic on Dec 29, 2018 16:49:28 GMT
Had a wander around Hyde Park and Oxford Street yesterday. Some observations: At the height of Saturday passenger traffic, 23s were at best carrying penny numbers to/from Hammersmith. Job done. Almost every bus I saw on Oxford Street was busy to full, even 7s and 113s. 94s were seemingly the busiest buses, whereas surprisingly 139s were close to empty, more so than 159s! Was there a wall of red vehicles? No. It was a wall of taxis and minicabs continuously stopping to pick up anyone and anything. Why is Oxford Street traffic so bad? Continual traffic lights and the plethora of non-bus vehicles. Wigmore Street was very heavily congested and appeared unsuitable for ANY buses. TV news footage of Oxford Street shops on Thursday showed, as you say, loads of black cabs and other cars in a line, with perhaps one bus in the middle distance and another, coming the other way, in the far distance, and this BEFORE the cull is complete. Boxing Day shopping numbers were said to be up significantly on last year in the area, in contrast to other places in the south east. Wonder how many thought ''ooh, Crossrail's open, let's go up West!'
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Post by cl54 on Dec 29, 2018 19:28:09 GMT
Had a wander around Hyde Park and Oxford Street yesterday. Some observations: At the height of Saturday passenger traffic, 23s were at best carrying penny numbers to/from Hammersmith. Job done. Almost every bus I saw on Oxford Street was busy to full, even 7s and 113s. 94s were seemingly the busiest buses, whereas surprisingly 139s were close to empty, more so than 159s! Was there a wall of red vehicles? No. It was a wall of taxis and minicabs continuously stopping to pick up anyone and anything. Why is Oxford Street traffic so bad? Continual traffic lights and the plethora of non-bus vehicles. Wigmore Street was very heavily congested and appeared unsuitable for ANY buses. TV news footage of Oxford Street shops on Thursday showed, as you say, loads of black cabs and other cars in a line, with perhaps one bus in the middle distance and another, coming the other way, in the far distance, and this BEFORE the cull is complete. Boxing Day shopping numbers were said to be up significantly on last year in the area, in contrast to other places in the south east. Wonder how many thought ''ooh, Crossrail's open, let's go up West!' Hopefully the number of minicabs will be reduced when the have to pay the congestion charge from next April.
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Post by sid on Dec 29, 2018 19:41:31 GMT
TV news footage of Oxford Street shops on Thursday showed, as you say, loads of black cabs and other cars in a line, with perhaps one bus in the middle distance and another, coming the other way, in the far distance, and this BEFORE the cull is complete. Boxing Day shopping numbers were said to be up significantly on last year in the area, in contrast to other places in the south east. Wonder how many thought ''ooh, Crossrail's open, let's go up West!' Hopefully the number of minicabs will be reduced when the have to pay the congestion charge from next April. I was in Oxford Street about midday today and everything was fine. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/31576705177/in/dateposted/As for the 23 the entire route is pretty quiet including the Westbourne Park end. I have noticed since the change that the 9 seems a lot busier as does the 390 and one small change I would make is to reroute the 73 via Vere Street to serve the stop outside John Lewis.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 29, 2018 19:48:51 GMT
Hopefully the number of minicabs will be reduced when the have to pay the congestion charge from next April. I was in Oxford Street about midday today and everything was fine. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/31576705177/in/dateposted/As for the 23 the entire route is pretty quiet including the Westbourne Park end. I have noticed since the change that the 9 seems a lot busier as does the 390 and one small change I would make is to reroute the 73 via Vere Street to serve the stop outside John Lewis. The Holles Street routes back when the 25 was bendy used to go via Vere Street. It used to subject the routes to a lot of congestion so was changed, although the route via Great Portland Street is far worse for congestion so why they did it is beyond me. 55s quite often go via Vere Street although don't serve any stops until Great Titchfield Street. Oxford Street was jammed with cabs this evening for sure!
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Post by sid on Dec 29, 2018 20:06:56 GMT
I was in Oxford Street about midday today and everything was fine. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/31576705177/in/dateposted/As for the 23 the entire route is pretty quiet including the Westbourne Park end. I have noticed since the change that the 9 seems a lot busier as does the 390 and one small change I would make is to reroute the 73 via Vere Street to serve the stop outside John Lewis. The Holles Street routes back when the 25 was bendy used to go via Vere Street. It used to subject the routes to a lot of congestion so was changed, although the route via Great Portland Street is far worse for congestion so why they did it is beyond me. 55s quite often go via Vere Street although don't serve any stops until Great Titchfield Street. Oxford Street was jammed with cabs this evening for sure! Presumably they were rerouted just to reduce bus movements across the Oxford Circus junction but with the 10 gone I think at least the 73 could be rerouted that way to serve a common stop with the 390.
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Post by rj131 on Dec 29, 2018 20:26:43 GMT
Hopefully the number of minicabs will be reduced when the have to pay the congestion charge from next April. I was in Oxford Street about midday today and everything was fine. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/31576705177/in/dateposted/As for the 23 the entire route is pretty quiet including the Westbourne Park end. I have noticed since the change that the 9 seems a lot busier as does the 390 and one small change I would make is to reroute the 73 via Vere Street to serve the stop outside John Lewis. I’m not surprised re the 23. Sure the Hammersmith - Marble Arch will take getting used to, but I suspect the existing Westbourne Park to Marble Arch customers would be confused by the destination ‘Hammersmith’ being used and not giving any indication it’s travelling via Marble Arch, making people think it’s probably not going there anymore. This is why I strongly think ‘via points’ should be bought back especially for indirect routes like this one is now. It’s a shame I remember the days when just about every 23 used to be absolutely rammed all day long. On a side note re that 139 bus, how weird that one day it could be ploughing through Oxford Circus and then the next it’s travelling out as far as Watford Junction and Harrow, very diverse set of destinations BT buses serve. I struggle to think of another garage that has as wide a diameter between destinations.
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 29, 2018 20:55:48 GMT
I was in Oxford Street about midday today and everything was fine. www.flickr.com/photos/154741497@N03/31576705177/in/dateposted/As for the 23 the entire route is pretty quiet including the Westbourne Park end. I have noticed since the change that the 9 seems a lot busier as does the 390 and one small change I would make is to reroute the 73 via Vere Street to serve the stop outside John Lewis. I’m not surprised re the 23. Sure the Hammersmith - Marble Arch will take getting used to, but I suspect the existing Westbourne Park to Marble Arch customers would be confused by the destination ‘Hammersmith’ being used and not giving any indication it’s travelling via Marble Arch, making people think it’s probably not going there anymore. This is why I strongly think ‘via points’ should be bought back especially for indirect routes like this one is now. It’s a shame I remember the days when just about every 23 used to be absolutely rammed all day long. On a side note re that 139 bus, how weird that one day it could be ploughing through Oxford Circus and then the next it’s travelling out as far as Watford Junction and Harrow, very diverse set of destinations BT buses serve. I struggle to think of another garage that has as wide a diameter between destinations. PD is another example, serving Whitehall (53) and Bluewater (96). Or C, from Heathrow Airport (X26) to Bromley (119) EW from Oxford Circus (113) to North Borehamwood (292) RR from Oxford Circus (N15) to Cranham (346)
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Post by kmkcheng on Dec 29, 2018 21:30:40 GMT
On a side note re that 139 bus, how weird that one day it could be ploughing through Oxford Circus and then the next it’s travelling out as far as Watford Junction and Harrow, very diverse set of destinations BT buses serve. I struggle to think of another garage that has as wide a diameter between destinations. PD is another example, serving Whitehall (53) and Bluewater (96). Or C, from Heathrow Airport (X26) to Bromley (119) EW from Oxford Circus (113) to North Borehamwood (292) RR from Oxford Circus (N15) to Cranham (346) Could also include Redhill (405) for C Including their non TfL work, PB stretches from St. Albans (84) to Walthamstow (34) to Trafalgar Square (N20, N91)
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Post by busaholic on Dec 29, 2018 21:58:40 GMT
PD is another example, serving Whitehall (53) and Bluewater (96). Or C, from Heathrow Airport (X26) to Bromley (119) EW from Oxford Circus (113) to North Borehamwood (292) RR from Oxford Circus (N15) to Cranham (346) Could also include Redhill (405) for C Including their non TfL work, PB stretches from St. Albans (84) to Walthamstow (34) to Trafalgar Square (N20, N91) Not so long ago, Finchley's buses could be seen at both Crystal Palace and Edgware, and on day routes at that! I think NX though would be hard to beat with Farningham (Kent), Hounslow and Turnpike Lane/Tottenham all reached, but I can't be sure there was a date when all those coincided without consulting Mr Armstrong's tour de force.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2018 22:22:07 GMT
Had a wander around Hyde Park and Oxford Street yesterday. Some observations: At the height of Saturday passenger traffic, 23s were at best carrying penny numbers to/from Hammersmith. Job done. Almost every bus I saw on Oxford Street was busy to full, even 7s and 113s. 94s were seemingly the busiest buses, whereas surprisingly 139s were close to empty, more so than 159s! Was there a wall of red vehicles? No. It was a wall of taxis and minicabs continuously stopping to pick up anyone and anything. Why is Oxford Street traffic so bad? Continual traffic lights and the plethora of non-bus vehicles. Wigmore Street was very heavily congested and appeared unsuitable for ANY buses. Was in Oxford Street today, most buses reasonably loaded, routes 94, 98 and 390 in particular. The proposal to cut back route 94 to North Row is ridiculous given current loadings east of Selfridges. Took a 139 from Oxford Street to Strand early evening which showed the stupidity of reducing four bus routes over this axis to just one. Bus was horrendously crowded from Oxford Circus onwards, long dwell times at stops, people boarding through rear doors to try and squeeze on, awful for the wheelchair user onboard and those with pushchairs. Certainly need to extend route 15 to Oxford Circus to restore through link to Regent Street from Aldwych/Fleet Street and relieve the 139. Alternatively when route 9 is reinstated to run via Piccadilly Circus, route 6 could be restored to its old routeing via Oxford Street. The round the corner link at Hyde Park Corner might be nice to have but not if you can’t do the basics of shifting the crowds between Oxford Street and Strand. Agree about reinstating route 73 to serve the John Lewis stop, would have helped shift the large crowd I saw waiting for route 390.
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Post by snoggle on Dec 29, 2018 23:07:12 GMT
Had a wander around Hyde Park and Oxford Street yesterday. Some observations: At the height of Saturday passenger traffic, 23s were at best carrying penny numbers to/from Hammersmith. Job done. Almost every bus I saw on Oxford Street was busy to full, even 7s and 113s. 94s were seemingly the busiest buses, whereas surprisingly 139s were close to empty, more so than 159s! Was there a wall of red vehicles? No. It was a wall of taxis and minicabs continuously stopping to pick up anyone and anything. Why is Oxford Street traffic so bad? Continual traffic lights and the plethora of non-bus vehicles. Wigmore Street was very heavily congested and appeared unsuitable for ANY buses. Colour me not surprised at all. The whole Oxford St bus route rationalisation exercise is a disaster - unless you are a cab / minicab driver. It demonstrates incompetence on a large scale.
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