|
Post by southlondonbus on Nov 13, 2019 12:10:46 GMT
Plus the 7 is slightly wasteful as it terminates at Oxo. A route running along Oxford Street should really continue out the other end aswell like the 94/98/139 and 390 do so to have a dual purpose.
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Nov 13, 2019 12:41:45 GMT
New ideas for Oxford Street 2022 Also refers to TfLs commitment to just 4 bus routes along Oxford Street once Elizabeth Line opens There is reference to area being made zero emission, so I wonder if those 4 bus routes will have to become electric Just another proposal. And that’s if crossrail ever opens. I think if it is just four routes, they should be the 94,98,139 and 390. Having the 7 and 98 from Edgware Road is rather daft. At least if the 94 remained , which would already be electric, kind of hard to justify withdrawing an electric route from the street really. I think something running further south than Waterloo such as the 159 should be retained as it seems Oxford Street ideas never take this into consideration.
|
|
|
Post by ADH45258 on Nov 13, 2019 13:23:46 GMT
Plus the 7 is slightly wasteful as it terminates at Oxo. A route running along Oxford Street should really continue out the other end aswell like the 94/98/139 and 390 do so to have a dual purpose. I think a link to Paddington is still useful. I would instead opt to extend the 7 to Holborn in place of the 98, then cut the 98 back to Marble Arch.
|
|
|
Post by danorak on Nov 13, 2019 13:38:46 GMT
Just another proposal. And that’s if crossrail ever opens. I think if it is just four routes, they should be the 94,98,139 and 390. Having the 7 and 98 from Edgware Road is rather daft. At least if the 94 remained , which would already be electric, kind of hard to justify withdrawing an electric route from the street really. I think something running further south than Waterloo such as the 159 should be retained as it seems Oxford Street ideas never take this into consideration. I'd like to see something that runs the full length of Oxford Street, but which runs via the Waterloo-Holborn-New Oxford St routeing to avoid the delays around the Strand, Trafalgar Square and Piccadilly Circus. It's much quicker to use the 1 rather than the 176 to TCR.
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Nov 13, 2019 14:12:51 GMT
I wonder if any plans are thought of for the Selfridges to Marble Arch section. Stand space probably being the issue at M arch but I can quite easily see the 2/13/30/74/113/189/274 being viewed as ripe for a rationalisation between Baker Street and M Arch. Maybe the 74/414 merging or the 113 or 189 cut to Baker Street
|
|
|
Post by busaholic on Nov 13, 2019 15:07:45 GMT
Plus the 7 is slightly wasteful as it terminates at Oxo. A route running along Oxford Street should really continue out the other end aswell like the 94/98/139 and 390 do so to have a dual purpose. I think a link to Paddington is still useful. I would instead opt to extend the 7 to Holborn in place of the 98, then cut the 98 back to Marble Arch. I'd re-extend the 159 to Paddington, probably forgetting the Basin bit. As vjaska says, something extending into South London from Oxford Street is still required, given that virtually nobody south of the Thames will be accessing the street by Crossrail, with the sole exception of those in the Abbey Wood/Woolwich areas and environs. The 7 could then terminate at Marble Arch.
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Nov 13, 2019 17:19:47 GMT
The 159 to Paddington would be useful in place of the 7. That would thou mean that East Acton/Portobello Area would only be served from Marble Arch.
|
|
|
Post by mark on Nov 14, 2019 17:27:55 GMT
New ideas for Oxford Street 2022 Also refers to TfLs commitment to just 4 bus routes along Oxford Street once Elizabeth Line opens There is reference to area being made zero emission, so I wonder if those 4 bus routes will have to become electric Just another proposal. And that’s if crossrail ever opens. I think if it is just four routes, they should be the 94,98,139 and 390. Having the 7 and 98 from Edgware Road is rather daft. At least if the 94 remained , which would already be electric, kind of hard to justify withdrawing an electric route from the street really. The reference to zero emission vehicles is little more than an aspiration by the NWE company and there is nothing to suggest any engagement with TfL to deiliver this. The report notes that TfL’s plan is for the whole bus fleet to be zero emission by 2037.
|
|
|
Post by rif153 on Nov 14, 2019 19:59:53 GMT
I wonder if any plans are thought of for the Selfridges to Marble Arch section. Stand space probably being the issue at M arch but I can quite easily see the 2/13/30/74/113/189/274 being viewed as ripe for a rationalisation between Baker Street and M Arch. Maybe the 74/414 merging or the 113 or 189 cut to Baker Street I'm a big proponent of reconnecting Paddington Basin to the bus network. I think that sending the 74 up to Paddington Basin to replneish bus capacity on Edgware Road at the expense of the 414 would be a good idea. In the 159 cutback consultation, one of the alternatives considered was to send the 414 to Paddington Basin which would reduce duplication between 6 and 414. I've previously suggested extending the 137 up to Paddington Basin, but the 74 is a good candidate too. It seems ridiculous that there are so many routes between Baker Street and Marble Arch as you say, diverting the 113 to Marble Arch will further increase duplication. I think the 113 should rerouted between Oxford Circus and Baker Street via Marylebone and Portland Place as this does at least maintain a Finchley Road-Oxford Circus, this could come at expense of a 453 cutback to Oxford Circus.
|
|
|
Post by southlondonbus on Nov 14, 2019 21:47:28 GMT
Looking at the 134 has it lost alot of Patronage since being cut to Warren Street?I don't know but would there be a purpose for the 189 if it started at Baker Street. Would still proved support along Abbey Road from Baker Street plus BS link to Kilburn and a Kilburn to Brent X link so maybe it could be cut back. Maybe same with the 30.
|
|
|
Post by redbus on Nov 14, 2019 22:14:25 GMT
Looking at the 134 has it lost alot of Patronage since being cut to Warren Street?I don't know but would there be a purpose got the 189 if it started at Baker Street. Would still proved support along Abbey Road from Baker Street plus BS link to Kilburn and a Kilburn to Brent X link so maybe it could be cut back. Maybe same with the 30. The 189 lost a lot of passengers when it was cut back from Oxford Circus. I think it will lose even more if hacked back to Baker Street, however I am sure that would not stop TfL! One thing I would note is that following the Baker Street 2-way project it is now more difficult to turn buses at Baker Street and still have them stop outside Baker Street station in both directions. It's possible, but time consuming.
|
|
|
Post by redbus on Nov 14, 2019 22:33:59 GMT
I wonder if any plans are thought of for the Selfridges to Marble Arch section. Stand space probably being the issue at M arch but I can quite easily see the 2/13/30/74/113/189/274 being viewed as ripe for a rationalisation between Baker Street and M Arch. Maybe the 74/414 merging or the 113 or 189 cut to Baker Street I'm a big proponent of reconnecting Paddington Basin to the bus network. I think that sending the 74 up to Paddington Basin to replneish bus capacity on Edgware Road at the expense of the 414 would be a good idea. In the 159 cutback consultation, one of the alternatives considered was to send the 414 to Paddington Basin which would reduce duplication between 6 and 414. I've previously suggested extending the 137 up to Paddington Basin, but the 74 is a good candidate too. It seems ridiculous that there are so many routes between Baker Street and Marble Arch as you say, diverting the 113 to Marble Arch will further increase duplication. I think the 113 should rerouted between Oxford Circus and Baker Street via Marylebone and Portland Place as this does at least maintain a Finchley Road-Oxford Circus, this could come at expense of a 453 cutback to Oxford Circus. Is there the demand for a bus to Paddington Basin?
Today there 7 routes between Marble Arch and Harrow Road (6, 7, 16, 23, 36, 98 and 414), whilst on Baker Street southbound there are 8 (2, 13, 30, 74, 113, 139, 189, 274), but oddly only 5 of those bus routes travel northbound on Baker Street. I am not convinced that Edgware Road needs another route, in these cash strapped times I can think of better uses for the resources. The 74 often picks up good loads on Baker Street so I would be reluctant to cut it back. The 30 is a slightly better candidate, but getting back onto the Marylebone from the stand on Alsop Place at Baker Street isn't straight forward. The 30 can also be surprisingly busy at times down Baker Street. What might be an option would be to re-route the 74 to Marylebone and cut the 2 back as the 13 may be able to cover, but even here, much caution is needed.
Whilst re-routing the 113 via the Marylebone Road and Portland Place may seem attractive, you would upset an awful lot of passengers who get on / off at Selfridges. I don't think the benefit will outweigh the cost to these passengers.
|
|
|
Post by busaholic on Nov 14, 2019 23:38:42 GMT
I'm a big proponent of reconnecting Paddington Basin to the bus network. I think that sending the 74 up to Paddington Basin to replneish bus capacity on Edgware Road at the expense of the 414 would be a good idea. In the 159 cutback consultation, one of the alternatives considered was to send the 414 to Paddington Basin which would reduce duplication between 6 and 414. I've previously suggested extending the 137 up to Paddington Basin, but the 74 is a good candidate too. It seems ridiculous that there are so many routes between Baker Street and Marble Arch as you say, diverting the 113 to Marble Arch will further increase duplication. I think the 113 should rerouted between Oxford Circus and Baker Street via Marylebone and Portland Place as this does at least maintain a Finchley Road-Oxford Circus, this could come at expense of a 453 cutback to Oxford Circus. Is there the demand for a bus to Paddington Basin?
Today there 7 routes between Marble Arch and Harrow Road (6, 7, 16, 23, 36, 98 and 414), whilst on Baker Street southbound there are 8 (2, 13, 30, 74, 113, 139, 189, 274), but oddly only 5 of those bus routes travel northbound on Baker Street. I am not convinced that Edgware Road needs another route, in these cash strapped times I can think of better uses for the resources. The 74 often picks up good loads on Baker Street so I would be reluctant to cut it back. The 30 is a slightly better candidate, but getting back onto the Marylebone from the stand on Alsop Place at Baker Street isn't straight forward. The 30 can also be surprisingly busy at times down Baker Street. What might be an option would be to re-route the 74 to Marylebone and cut the 2 back as the 13 may be able to cover, but even here, much caution is needed.
Whilst re-routing the 113 via the Marylebone Road and Portland Place may seem attractive, you would upset an awful lot of passengers who get on / off at Selfridges. I don't think the benefit will outweigh the cost to these passengers.
IF there is demand for a Paddington Basin route, I'd have thought it needs to be a much more local one, rather than an extension of a trunk route. Personally, I'd have a Victoria to P.B. Red Arrow type route, maybe as an extension of the 507 (but not all of the latter's peak service) which would also help passengers disadvantaged when the 436 got withdrawn at its nortern end.
|
|
|
Post by overgroundcommuter on Nov 15, 2019 0:51:54 GMT
I used to work with someone who commuted from Streatham to Paddington Basin to work in Royal Oak.
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Nov 15, 2019 1:01:56 GMT
I'm a big proponent of reconnecting Paddington Basin to the bus network. I think that sending the 74 up to Paddington Basin to replneish bus capacity on Edgware Road at the expense of the 414 would be a good idea. In the 159 cutback consultation, one of the alternatives considered was to send the 414 to Paddington Basin which would reduce duplication between 6 and 414. I've previously suggested extending the 137 up to Paddington Basin, but the 74 is a good candidate too. It seems ridiculous that there are so many routes between Baker Street and Marble Arch as you say, diverting the 113 to Marble Arch will further increase duplication. I think the 113 should rerouted between Oxford Circus and Baker Street via Marylebone and Portland Place as this does at least maintain a Finchley Road-Oxford Circus, this could come at expense of a 453 cutback to Oxford Circus. Is there the demand for a bus to Paddington Basin?
Today there 7 routes between Marble Arch and Harrow Road (6, 7, 16, 23, 36, 98 and 414), whilst on Baker Street southbound there are 8 (2, 13, 30, 74, 113, 139, 189, 274), but oddly only 5 of those bus routes travel northbound on Baker Street. I am not convinced that Edgware Road needs another route, in these cash strapped times I can think of better uses for the resources. The 74 often picks up good loads on Baker Street so I would be reluctant to cut it back. The 30 is a slightly better candidate, but getting back onto the Marylebone from the stand on Alsop Place at Baker Street isn't straight forward. The 30 can also be surprisingly busy at times down Baker Street. What might be an option would be to re-route the 74 to Marylebone and cut the 2 back as the 13 may be able to cover, but even here, much caution is needed.
Whilst re-routing the 113 via the Marylebone Road and Portland Place may seem attractive, you would upset an awful lot of passengers who get on / off at Selfridges. I don't think the benefit will outweigh the cost to these passengers.
Before the 23 cut, the 159 provided much needed assistance to the 23 between Trafalgar Square & Paddington as well as providing a South London route to Paddington as apposed to taking two tubes to Brixton and then performing a rugby scrum at Brixton whilst people effectively spawn out of nowhere.
|
|