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Post by galwhv69 on Dec 12, 2022 11:03:08 GMT
We've had to suspend Overground replacement service L1 and L2 as well, currently out on a route assessment on service H, know a few schools have called to cancel their school services tomorrow I remember going school a lot in the snow when I was younger. In fact it was days on end of snow. These days, with all this suing, schools and teachers would be afraid to let kids play in the snow, or even go to school. These youngsters do not know what they missed out on. The sleighs made out of milk crates, snowball fights etc. These days it would be more like a zombie knife fight sadly. I think part of it is also actually people managing to travel there. Love the snow but it can easily make road conditions dangerous. I've seen photos of multiple buses involved in RTC's yesterday due to road conditions
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Post by mondraker275 on Dec 12, 2022 11:28:34 GMT
Which major snowfall happened on a Saturday? I recall one pre-2013 that started at around midday on a Saturday and caused chaos.
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 12, 2022 12:10:22 GMT
It's amazing how meteorologists predicted snowfall all last week, however it took many councils by surprise. My little brother had a 10 mile cycle into the City for his job last night and was keen to cycle in the snow. I overruled that decision judging by seeing gritters on the roads 3 hours after initial snowfall began.
The 287 was the only route that was keeping to time last night. After the snow settled on the tracks, service on the 5 started to go into tatters with buses arriving into Barking bunched; busier from the Canning Town end as Tube punters transferred onto the bus. Also looked like approx 23:00 Arriva cancelled the LO-T Overground replacement service.
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Post by wirewiper on Dec 12, 2022 13:40:40 GMT
It's amazing how meteorologists predicted snowfall all last week, however it took many councils by surprise. My little brother had a 10 mile cycle into the City for his job last night and was keen to cycle in the snow. I overruled that decision judging by seeing gritters on the roads 3 hours after initial snowfall began. The 287 was the only route that was keeping to time last night. After the snow settled on the tracks, service on the 5 started to go into tatters with buses arriving into Barking bunched; busier from the Canning Town end as Tube punters transferred onto the bus. Also looked like approx 23:00 Arriva cancelled the LO-T Overground replacement service. It's not the snow itself that is usually the problem, it's the icy conditions. Snow tends to part-thaw during the daytime only to freeze again as ice,which is treacherous. The temperatures at which snow typically falls in the UK exacerbate this phenomenon. And in certain conditions, putting salt and grit on the roads can be ineffective. Also an issue is that the effects of snow and ice can be very localised, one place can cope very well whereas somewhere a few miles down the road is brought to a total standstill.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 12, 2022 14:01:36 GMT
It's amazing how meteorologists predicted snowfall all last week, however it took many councils by surprise. My little brother had a 10 mile cycle into the City for his job last night and was keen to cycle in the snow. I overruled that decision judging by seeing gritters on the roads 3 hours after initial snowfall began. The 287 was the only route that was keeping to time last night. After the snow settled on the tracks, service on the 5 started to go into tatters with buses arriving into Barking bunched; busier from the Canning Town end as Tube punters transferred onto the bus. Also looked like approx 23:00 Arriva cancelled the LO-T Overground replacement service. It's not the snow itself that is usually the problem, it's the icy conditions. Snow tends to part-thaw during the daytime only to freeze again as ice,which is treacherous. The temperatures at which snow typically falls in the UK exacerbate this phenomenon. And in certain conditions, putting salt and grit on the roads can be ineffective. Also an issue is that the effects of snow and ice can be very localised, one place can cope very well whereas somewhere a few miles down the road is brought to a total standstill. With the temperatures we are expecting in London, the salt should do the job well as it lowers the freezing point to about -6.5°C
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Post by greenboy on Dec 12, 2022 14:27:48 GMT
Credit where it’s due - Bromley Council and indeed Sevenoaks Council have played a blinder with regards gritters. I wasn’t particularly looking forward to a late shift on the 246 tonight but the roads have remained perfectly passable despite a significant amount of snow. It remains to be be seen if any ice forms overnight but we’ve been able to keep the service going this evening at least and as far as I’m aware the 320 and 464 have continued to run down into Biggin Hill Valley as well so well done Bromley Council’s gritting team! I agree with you about Bromley and I think that gritting teams generally have done a pretty good job.
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Post by richard on Dec 12, 2022 14:36:04 GMT
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Post by ServerKing on Dec 12, 2022 19:28:27 GMT
W4 ENNs were running along Lordship Lane just now, at walking pace, 243's towards Waterloo seem to be bunching at Redvers Rd and not moving. Not attempting to drive a front wheel drive Corolla CVT hybrid to Southwark tomorrow, work abandoned Snow is so heavy you can't see more than a couple of metres in front. Saw a virtually empty HV on the 123 to Ilford at walking pace, sure the 318 will be stopped soon. EN38 is near the Town Hall, if I was driving this bus right now, I'd be flashing the saloon lights on and off to kick pax out and go to the garage Love the use of recycling by reusing a 5 year old thread to conserve space on the server Hmm, chickened out with the Corolla. It would surely navigate it better than the R class or 5 GT Corolla is a company car, had no issues once I left the engine on and windscreen cleared in just 5 minutes. Cleared all the snow off the roof and uneventful journey to London Bridge, to the appropriately named Snowsfield NCP car park. Roads were clear and most of the buses had no issues family car is an X3, was contemplating a Range Rover Velar but reliability issues put me off
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 12, 2022 20:14:55 GMT
Large amounts of melting in North Surrey/Elmbridge. Am now heading north on an 85 and the amount of lying snow is if anything increasing.
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Post by northlondon83 on Dec 12, 2022 20:50:07 GMT
I think that there was significantly less snow in west London than any other part, certainly through Ealing and the surrounding areas there was very little, comparing to around East Dulwich and Peckham Rye where the snow covered pretty much the entire ground
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 13, 2022 10:29:27 GMT
It's amazing how meteorologists predicted snowfall all last week, however it took many councils by surprise. My little brother had a 10 mile cycle into the City for his job last night and was keen to cycle in the snow. I overruled that decision judging by seeing gritters on the roads 3 hours after initial snowfall began. The 287 was the only route that was keeping to time last night. After the snow settled on the tracks, service on the 5 started to go into tatters with buses arriving into Barking bunched; busier from the Canning Town end as Tube punters transferred onto the bus. Also looked like approx 23:00 Arriva cancelled the LO-T Overground replacement service. To be honest I check the weather all the time, they did not say London and the South East until last minute. Even when they did, they said it would be more sleet. Over the past few months, we have had the usual bullshit spewed out by the media, of coldest winter on record etc and snow by November etc. some of which is fed by meteorologists. So no wonder councils would not take them as seriously. Even still the amount of snowfall that dropped, the initial grit would not have done anything. It is the usual, people expect as soon as it starts, we magically have 1 million gritting trucks driving up and down on every street spewing out tonnes of salt.
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Post by SILENCED on Dec 13, 2022 10:40:14 GMT
It's amazing how meteorologists predicted snowfall all last week, however it took many councils by surprise. My little brother had a 10 mile cycle into the City for his job last night and was keen to cycle in the snow. I overruled that decision judging by seeing gritters on the roads 3 hours after initial snowfall began. The 287 was the only route that was keeping to time last night. After the snow settled on the tracks, service on the 5 started to go into tatters with buses arriving into Barking bunched; busier from the Canning Town end as Tube punters transferred onto the bus. Also looked like approx 23:00 Arriva cancelled the LO-T Overground replacement service. To be honest I check the weather all the time, they did not say London and the South East until last minute. Even when they did, they said it would be more sleet. Over the past few months, we have had the usual bullshit spewed out by the media, of coldest winter on record etc and snow by November etc. some of which is fed by meteorologists. So no wonder councils would not take them as seriously. Even still the amount of snowfall that dropped, the initial grit would not have done anything. It is the usual, people expect as soon as it starts, we magically have 1 million gritting trucks driving up and down on every street spewing out tonnes of salt. I live in Croydon and they reportedly have 8 gritting lorries. If you have 8 on the road, I would have thought all the main roads could be covered in 2/3 hours, presuming there are pre-planned gritting routes. You then look at other well used roads, hopefully starting off those that involve inclines. I assume that other London boroughs are similar to Croydon in this respect. What London seems to be lacking in number is snow plough attachments to these lorries. I may have this wrong and they are sitting in the depot awaiting the most severe snowfalls.
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Post by enviroPB on Dec 13, 2022 10:42:22 GMT
It's amazing how meteorologists predicted snowfall all last week, however it took many councils by surprise. My little brother had a 10 mile cycle into the City for his job last night and was keen to cycle in the snow. I overruled that decision judging by seeing gritters on the roads 3 hours after initial snowfall began. The 287 was the only route that was keeping to time last night. After the snow settled on the tracks, service on the 5 started to go into tatters with buses arriving into Barking bunched; busier from the Canning Town end as Tube punters transferred onto the bus. Also looked like approx 23:00 Arriva cancelled the LO-T Overground replacement service. To be honest I check the weather all the time, they did not say London and the South East until last minute. Even when they did, they said it would be more sleet. Over the past few months, we have had the usual bullshit spewed out by the media, of coldest winter on record etc and snow by November etc. some of which is fed by meteorologists. So no wonder councils would not take them as seriously. Even still the amount of snowfall that dropped, the initial grit would not have done anything. It is the usual, people expect as soon as it starts, we magically have 1 million gritting trucks driving up and down on every street spewing out tonnes of salt. There was a brief but prolonged cold spell a few weeks ago which warranted gritters combing the streets. Personally I am a bit disappointed in the preparedness but admittedly, that is down to different council approaches; some councils like Bromley were more prepared than others. When hearing TfL's justification of not being overzealous with engineers & gritters constantly on standby like in Switzerland, it makes sense not to go to great expense to provide that in London. Still, it feels to me the roads could've been better prepared on Sunday.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2022 14:38:35 GMT
To be honest I check the weather all the time, they did not say London and the South East until last minute. Even when they did, they said it would be more sleet. Over the past few months, we have had the usual bullshit spewed out by the media, of coldest winter on record etc and snow by November etc. some of which is fed by meteorologists. So no wonder councils would not take them as seriously. Even still the amount of snowfall that dropped, the initial grit would not have done anything. It is the usual, people expect as soon as it starts, we magically have 1 million gritting trucks driving up and down on every street spewing out tonnes of salt. I live in Croydon and they reportedly have 8 gritting lorries. If you have 8 on the road, I would have thought all the main roads could be covered in 2/3 hours, presuming there are pre-planned gritting routes. You then look at other well used roads, hopefully starting off those that involve inclines. I assume that other London boroughs are similar to Croydon in this respect. What London seems to be lacking in number is snow plough attachments to these lorries. I may have this wrong and they are sitting in the depot awaiting the most severe snowfalls. Most of my area wasn’t gritted, only a few particular sections of pavement were done
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Post by WH241 on Dec 13, 2022 17:44:01 GMT
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