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Post by WH241 on Dec 14, 2023 18:39:29 GMT
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Post by borneobus on Dec 15, 2023 1:58:19 GMT
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Post by borneobus on Dec 15, 2023 2:01:30 GMT
Amazing set of stats with five of busiest UK Top 10 Stations Elizabeth Line
1) Liverpool St 2) Paddington 6) Stratford 7) TCR 9) Farringdon
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 15, 2023 9:49:35 GMT
Amazing set of stats with five of busiest UK Top 10 Stations Elizabeth Line 1) Liverpool St 2) Paddington 6) Stratford 7) TCR 9) Farringdon It certainly does make a case for CR2 even though I deeply disagree with it due to devastating effect it would have in Wimbledon.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Dec 15, 2023 10:05:50 GMT
I do not know if it is entirely Elizabeth line effect as it does not seem to take anywhere near as much people from the station on the Shenfield branch as it previously did. The train seems to take more people at Whitechapel and Farringdon stations.Liverpool Street becomes Britain's busiest stationLondon's Liverpool Street station has replaced Waterloo as the busiest in Britain, new figures show.www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-67716815
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Post by borneobus on Dec 15, 2023 10:16:16 GMT
Amazing set of stats with five of busiest UK Top 10 Stations Elizabeth Line 1) Liverpool St 2) Paddington 6) Stratford 7) TCR 9) Farringdon It certainly does make a case for CR2 even though I deeply disagree with it due to devastating effect it would have in Wimbledon. I had forgotten about CR2, presumably it will never happen but anyway please educate us on the impact on Wimbledon. Is it related to the "Tunneled Section Depots & Stabling" on the attached map? crossrail2.co.uk/route/route-map/
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 15, 2023 10:21:04 GMT
It certainly does make a case for CR2 even though I deeply disagree with it due to devastating effect it would have in Wimbledon. I had forgotten about CR2, presumably it will never happen but anyway please educate us on the impact on Wimbledon. Is it related to the "Tunneled Section Depots & Stabling" on the attached map? crossrail2.co.uk/route/route-map/In part yes but the short term consequences would see the overwhelming majority of the retail space in Wimbledon lost. Most of the shops on the bridge would have to close and likely be demolished as well as most of Centre Court with the exception of the listed Tesco store at the front. This would allow for the tunnelling under the existing shopping centre. I think it is too high a price to lose. Wimbledon isnāt my first shopping destination it definitely isnāt worth losing.
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 15, 2023 10:31:59 GMT
I had forgotten about CR2, presumably it will never happen but anyway please educate us on the impact on Wimbledon. Is it related to the "Tunneled Section Depots & Stabling" on the attached map? crossrail2.co.uk/route/route-map/In part yes but the short term consequences would see the overwhelming majority of the retail space in Wimbledon lost. Most of the shops on the bridge would have to close and likely be demolished as well as most of Centre Court with the exception of the listed Tesco store at the front. This would allow for the tunnelling under the existing shopping centre. I think it is too high a price to lose. Wimbledon isnāt my first shopping destination it definitely isnāt worth losing. Same with at Tooting Broadway and the proposal to demolish alot of the Market.
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Post by TB123 on Dec 15, 2023 10:37:23 GMT
I had forgotten about CR2, presumably it will never happen but anyway please educate us on the impact on Wimbledon. Is it related to the "Tunneled Section Depots & Stabling" on the attached map? crossrail2.co.uk/route/route-map/In part yes but the short term consequences would see the overwhelming majority of the retail space in Wimbledon lost. Most of the shops on the bridge would have to close and likely be demolished as well as most of Centre Court with the exception of the listed Tesco store at the front. This would allow for the tunnelling under the existing shopping centre. I think it is too high a price to lose. Wimbledon isnāt my first shopping destination it definitely isnāt worth losing. A very defeatist attitude. I don't doubt it would be very disruptive but at the end of it would come the potential for a vastly improved town centre with not just better transport links but also more homes and a better retail offer. In fact it isn't just potential, it would be a nesscity to make the project something resembling economically viable, using the profits from commercial development on air rights. I think you only have to look at how disruptive Thameslink & the Elizabeth Line were to places like Tottenham Court Road or London Bridge with many retail outlets and such having to close but the end result being vastly improved destinations.
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Post by southlondon413 on Dec 15, 2023 10:47:37 GMT
In part yes but the short term consequences would see the overwhelming majority of the retail space in Wimbledon lost. Most of the shops on the bridge would have to close and likely be demolished as well as most of Centre Court with the exception of the listed Tesco store at the front. This would allow for the tunnelling under the existing shopping centre. I think it is too high a price to lose. Wimbledon isnāt my first shopping destination it definitely isnāt worth losing. Same with at Tooting Broadway and the proposal to demolish alot of the Market. It surprises me that Wandsworth council havenāt ever tried to get Broadway market listed. It is one of the largest indoor market in London, if not the largest and has a long history related to various communities but mostly Afro-Caribbean.
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Post by twobellstogo on Dec 15, 2023 11:06:26 GMT
In part yes but the short term consequences would see the overwhelming majority of the retail space in Wimbledon lost. Most of the shops on the bridge would have to close and likely be demolished as well as most of Centre Court with the exception of the listed Tesco store at the front. This would allow for the tunnelling under the existing shopping centre. I think it is too high a price to lose. Wimbledon isnāt my first shopping destination it definitely isnāt worth losing. A very defeatist attitude. I don't doubt it would be very disruptive but at the end of it would come the potential for a vastly improved town centre with not just better transport links but also more homes and a better retail offer. In fact it isn't just potential, it would be a nesscity to make the project something resembling economically viable, using the profits from commercial development on air rights. I think you only have to look at how disruptive Thameslink & the Elizabeth Line were to places like Tottenham Court Road or London Bridge with many retail outlets and such having to close but the end result being vastly improved destinations. Itās a really tough question, and however you answer it youāll really upset a significant subset of people, and indeed forum members. My inclination is to lean towards TB123 , but the plans for the regeneration of Wimbledon would have to be very compelling to compensate for the considerable disruption and loss. Personally though, Iād have expansion of the Elizabeth line (I really would love to see the Liz extend to Staines via the proposed Heathrow south line), and the Bakerloo extension to Lewisham ahead of CR2.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Dec 15, 2023 12:53:29 GMT
Amazing set of stats with five of busiest UK Top 10 Stations Elizabeth Line 1) Liverpool St 2) Paddington 6) Stratford 7) TCR 9) Farringdon It certainly does make a case for CR2 even though I deeply disagree with it due to devastating effect it would have in Wimbledon. absolutely, the success of the Elizabeth Line and the future regeneration it can bring to areas clearly makes the case for CR2 to be built. However, any money used to built a CR2 in the future shouldn't be at the expense of improving East/West connections in the North
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 16, 2024 10:43:38 GMT
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Post by Green Kitten on Jan 16, 2024 12:57:22 GMT
In part yes but the short term consequences would see the overwhelming majority of the retail space in Wimbledon lost. Most of the shops on the bridge would have to close and likely be demolished as well as most of Centre Court with the exception of the listed Tesco store at the front. This would allow for the tunnelling under the existing shopping centre. I think it is too high a price to lose. Wimbledon isnāt my first shopping destination it definitely isnāt worth losing. A very defeatist attitude. I don't doubt it would be very disruptive but at the end of it would come the potential for a vastly improved town centre with not just better transport links but also more homes and a better retail offer. In fact it isn't just potential, it would be a nesscity to make the project something resembling economically viable, using the profits from commercial development on air rights. I think you only have to look at how disruptive Thameslink & the Elizabeth Line were to places like Tottenham Court Road or London Bridge with many retail outlets and such having to close but the end result being vastly improved destinations. 'tis true, just wish we got something better at TCR than 'Outernet'.
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Post by busman on Jan 20, 2024 19:11:51 GMT
A very defeatist attitude. I don't doubt it would be very disruptive but at the end of it would come the potential for a vastly improved town centre with not just better transport links but also more homes and a better retail offer. In fact it isn't just potential, it would be a nesscity to make the project something resembling economically viable, using the profits from commercial development on air rights. I think you only have to look at how disruptive Thameslink & the Elizabeth Line were to places like Tottenham Court Road or London Bridge with many retail outlets and such having to close but the end result being vastly improved destinations. 'tis true, just wish we got something better at TCR than 'Outernet'. I might be in the minority, but Iāve grown to love Outernet. Itās a great *free of charge* chill out space where you can rest, chat and eat. The massive visual shows keep the little ones entertained and there always seems to be free cultural events often with snacks and drinks. In the pouring rain it really comes into its own! Spaces like this can help Oxford street compete with the likes of Westfield. And whilst my raving days are long, long behind me, I also noticed that it hosts one or two night club rooms which is presumably beneficial for the night economy.
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