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Post by snowman on Sept 10, 2019 13:07:27 GMT
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 16, 2019 9:52:33 GMT
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Post by YY13VKP on Sept 16, 2019 10:50:52 GMT
This saga keeps on dragging on and on. TfL have made a right cock up of delivering Crossrail. I went past Old Oak Common on Saturday and was amazed to see the amount of Class 345’s in storage there, and it looks like the majority of them will be there for another 2 years at least!
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Post by wirewiper on Sept 16, 2019 17:41:49 GMT
This saga keeps on dragging on and on. TfL have made a right cock up of delivering Crossrail. I went past Old Oak Common on Saturday and was amazed to see the amount of Class 345’s in storage there, and it looks like the majority of them will be there for another 2 years at least! Several will be in use on Paddington-Reading stopping services come December, and I would not be surprised if the units are rotated around to average out the mileage. Also I would imagine that 345s will start operating to Heathrow Airport once the signalling issue in the Airport tunnels is resolved.
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Post by redbus on Sept 16, 2019 18:23:15 GMT
This saga keeps on dragging on and on. TfL have made a right cock up of delivering Crossrail. I went past Old Oak Common on Saturday and was amazed to see the amount of Class 345’s in storage there, and it looks like the majority of them will be there for another 2 years at least! Several will be in use on Paddington-Reading stopping services come December, and I would not be surprised if the units are rotated around to average out the mileage. Also I would imagine that 345s will start operating to Heathrow Airport once the signalling issue in the Airport tunnels is resolved. That is assuming they can sort out the signalling issue before March 2021!!!!
I am still lost for words that they could possibly think it could have opened in December 2018, when now even March 2021 is at risk. And worse to think they said it was all on schedule to open in December 2018 as late as August 2018. How can one have confidence in the ability to build a line anywhere close to time and budget in such circumstances?
I am still amazed that March 2021 is only a date they are 'optimistic' that it will open by. That hardly inspires any confidence, particularly given what has happened so far.
As for Crossrail 2, each and every delay makes that more problematic and quite rightly will mean questions need to be asked about its delivery. Of course it needs to be built, but it mustn't turn into this shambles and a way need to be found to deliver it somewhere close to time and budget.
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Post by busaholic on Sept 16, 2019 22:54:18 GMT
Several will be in use on Paddington-Reading stopping services come December, and I would not be surprised if the units are rotated around to average out the mileage. Also I would imagine that 345s will start operating to Heathrow Airport once the signalling issue in the Airport tunnels is resolved. That is assuming they can sort out the signalling issue before March 2021!!!!
I am still lost for words that they could possibly think it could have opened in December 2018, when now even March 2021 is at risk. And worse to think they said it was all on schedule to open in December 2018 as late as August 2018. How can one have confidence in the ability to build a line anywhere close to time and budget in such circumstances?
I am still amazed that March 2021 is only a date they are 'optimistic' that it will open by. That hardly inspires any confidence, particularly given what has happened so far.
As for Crossrail 2, each and every delay makes that more problematic and quite rightly will mean questions need to be asked about its delivery. Of course it needs to be built, but it mustn't turn into this shambles and a way need to be found to deliver it somewhere close to time and budget.
Off topic, but as a contrast, tram lines 2 and 3 in Nice, France, are about to open TWO YEARS EARLY, using new technology whereby no overhead wires are needed, charge coming direct from the rails. My outrageous comment (I'd hate to say prediction, because it wasn't exactly that) a few months ago that Crossrail may never open in the way it's supposed to ( i.e. the central core signalling may never work) becomes ever more possible, regrettably. I want to travel this line before I die, or become totally immobile, and that's becoming less likely by the month.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 17, 2019 19:56:45 GMT
Been waiting for Crossrail for years, eagerly anticipating it opening to speed up my commute to work. At this rate, I’ll be in retirement, or a box by the time it opens!
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 17, 2019 22:59:38 GMT
Been waiting for Crossrail for years, eagerly anticipating it opening to speed up my commute to work. At this rate, I’ll be in retirement, or a box by the time it opens! lol, I remember the pics of the trains in the 90s and the leaflets. I thought it would have been finished before the year 2000.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 18, 2019 6:06:36 GMT
Been waiting for Crossrail for years, eagerly anticipating it opening to speed up my commute to work. At this rate, I’ll be in retirement, or a box by the time it opens! lol, I remember the pics of the trains in the 90s and the leaflets. I thought it would have been finished before the year 2000. It would have been so funny if they'd done a Thameslink and called it Crossrail 2000
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Post by joefrombow on Sept 18, 2019 9:18:51 GMT
That is assuming they can sort out the signalling issue before March 2021!!!!
I am still lost for words that they could possibly think it could have opened in December 2018, when now even March 2021 is at risk. And worse to think they said it was all on schedule to open in December 2018 as late as August 2018. How can one have confidence in the ability to build a line anywhere close to time and budget in such circumstances?
I am still amazed that March 2021 is only a date they are 'optimistic' that it will open by. That hardly inspires any confidence, particularly given what has happened so far.
As for Crossrail 2, each and every delay makes that more problematic and quite rightly will mean questions need to be asked about its delivery. Of course it needs to be built, but it mustn't turn into this shambles and a way need to be found to deliver it somewhere close to time and budget.
Off topic, but as a contrast, tram lines 2 and 3 in Nice, France, are about to open TWO YEARS EARLY, using new technology whereby no overhead wires are needed, charge coming direct from the rails. My outrageous comment (I'd hate to say prediction, because it wasn't exactly that) a few months ago that Crossrail may never open in the way it's supposed to ( i.e. the central core signalling may never work) becomes ever more possible, regrettably. I want to travel this line before I die, or become totally immobile, and that's becoming less likely by the month. What's the Problem with the Central core signalling ? Won't these trains operate automatically in the central section ? And I was amazed reading about the tram with no overhead lines so had a Google pretty impressive technology could change a lot of things in London if introduced i.e ( West London Tram/East London Transit upgrade ) must be expensive though m.youtube.com/watch?v=rgeVD0H9YoQ
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Post by busaholic on Sept 19, 2019 19:45:54 GMT
Off topic, but as a contrast, tram lines 2 and 3 in Nice, France, are about to open TWO YEARS EARLY, using new technology whereby no overhead wires are needed, charge coming direct from the rails. My outrageous comment (I'd hate to say prediction, because it wasn't exactly that) a few months ago that Crossrail may never open in the way it's supposed to ( i.e. the central core signalling may never work) becomes ever more possible, regrettably. I want to travel this line before I die, or become totally immobile, and that's becoming less likely by the month. What's the Problem with the Central core signalling ? Won't these trains operate automatically in the central section ? And I was amazed reading about the tram with no overhead lines so had a Google pretty impressive technology could change a lot of things in London if introduced i.e ( West London Tram/East London Transit upgrade ) must be expensive though m.youtube.com/watch?v=rgeVD0H9YoQI'm not qualified to say what may be wrong with the signalling in the central core, but I've read enough to have severe doubts to how robust it is. A simplification would be to say it's probably too complicated, which, very regrettably, seems to be the case with interaction between many new trains and signalling systems on Network Rail too. A certain airport in Berlin fits into this category too. Too clever by half is a phrase that comes to mind.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Sept 20, 2019 10:31:34 GMT
I noticed at Tottenham Court Road on some platforms the sickers covered over says crossrail and has the roundel, this is different to other stations at Morgate, Liverpool St, Faringdon where it has Elizabeth Line with roundels covered up. Very strange.
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Post by redbus on Sept 20, 2019 16:52:54 GMT
What's the Problem with the Central core signalling ? Won't these trains operate automatically in the central section ? And I was amazed reading about the tram with no overhead lines so had a Google pretty impressive technology could change a lot of things in London if introduced i.e ( West London Tram/East London Transit upgrade ) must be expensive though m.youtube.com/watch?v=rgeVD0H9YoQI'm not qualified to say what may be wrong with the signalling in the central core, but I've read enough to have severe doubts to how robust it is. A simplification would be to say it's probably too complicated, which, very regrettably, seems to be the case with interaction between many new trains and signalling systems on Network Rail too. A certain airport in Berlin fits into this category too. Too clever by half is a phrase that comes to mind. I am no expert nor qualified, but as I understand matters Crossrail has three different signalling systems all of which need joining up. Having said that the central core is completely new and therefore will be on one signalling system. I would suggest that central core issues may either be in getting that signalling system working or I suspect the signalling system might be linked to the platform doors / trains doors and that area could be problematic.
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Post by busaholic on Sept 20, 2019 19:29:21 GMT
I'm not qualified to say what may be wrong with the signalling in the central core, but I've read enough to have severe doubts to how robust it is. A simplification would be to say it's probably too complicated, which, very regrettably, seems to be the case with interaction between many new trains and signalling systems on Network Rail too. A certain airport in Berlin fits into this category too. Too clever by half is a phrase that comes to mind. I am no expert nor qualified, but as I understand matters Crossrail has three different signalling systems all of which need joining up. Having said that the central core is completely new and therefore will be on one signalling system. I would suggest that central core issues may either be in getting that signalling system working or I suspect the signalling system might be linked to the platform doors / trains doors and that area could be problematic. I deliberately didn't mention the platform doors, but certainly that is an extra complication which, let's face it, is central to the successful running of Crossrail. One train's doors not aligning with platform doors at one station on one occasion is potentially disastrous in its consequences. I believe this has happened in trial running.
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Post by rif153 on Sept 20, 2019 19:31:25 GMT
I'm not qualified to say what may be wrong with the signalling in the central core, but I've read enough to have severe doubts to how robust it is. A simplification would be to say it's probably too complicated, which, very regrettably, seems to be the case with interaction between many new trains and signalling systems on Network Rail too. A certain airport in Berlin fits into this category too. Too clever by half is a phrase that comes to mind. I am no expert nor qualified, but as I understand matters Crossrail has three different signalling systems all of which need joining up. Having said that the central core is completely new and therefore will be on one signalling system. I would suggest that central core issues may either be in getting that signalling system working or I suspect the signalling system might be linked to the platform doors / trains doors and that area could be problematic. Crossrail may well be a mess on day one of operation.
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